Okay... for all the newcomers... here is valuable information you need to know about CeMar... that took all of us here about three years to find out. And CeMar, please, correct me if I am wrong... I don't want to misspeak.
This is CeMar's second marriage. He is very anti-divorce now. Anyone can change, yes... but to me... it seems the ONLY thing he ever quotes from the bible is regarding 'divorce' and sex.
Mrs. CeMar, according to CeMar, I think, is not as devout in her religious beliefs as CeMar seems to be.
Mrs. CeMar had a very traumatic childhood, which very possibly included sexual abuse.
CeMar has read a TON of relationship books, and can, from time to time, offer very astute and even empathetic observations.
If you work all day to make a point with CeMar... it kind of goes into the ether and you never know if he heard you, did something with it or not... little in the way of feedback comes from him.
This isn't to slam him... but as I've traveled around the block with him a few thousand times now... I am willing to offer him all the compassion I can... but as I began to feel like a victim of his apparent pain... I just refer him to all past discussions and send him off around the block on his own, if he insists on going there yet again. I'm done going around and around with him.