That is kind of warped but is it really that unexpected? If there's one thing I've found to be true through all of this it's that my W does not say things that I would expect a normal, emotionally healthy person to say given the situation. But, that almost makes me feel a little better cause it means something is churning around inside her head, even if she doesn't talk about it.

Mkultra: that's a good insight into men and DBing. That could very well be true. I have a hell of a time just letting things go because I need to see movement, one way or another implying it's either getting fixed or it's getting fully broke.

Question: I posted this on my thread but had no hits. How do you recover from a mistake? I talked to W yesterday and know I came across as needy which I've been trying like hell to avoid. So how do you recover and gain that ground back? I don't want to think I just flushed two weeks down the toilet. Thanks.