angelica,

From your opening post:
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Many of the WAS spouses have unresolved problems relating back to issues in childhood and adolescence

Now you want to move the bar.

Annie,

There are all kinds of issues. Yes, some worse than others. Would you like me to tell you how my mother compared me to others all my life until I was in my mid 20s and told her she better not ever compare me to anyone again or else? That is a childhood and adolescent issue too. We all have them to varying degree. And yes, some are worse than others.

Now, back to systematic abuse, yes, it happens, but I refer to the opening post. And not all of these MLCer went through the systematic abuse you mentioned. Of course, if you are going to excuse them (ansd that what much of this is) for their issues, why is everyone so ready to blame those "unsuitable" OPs?

Seriously, do we allow the crazed lunatic that shoots up children in school to use their childhood as an excuse? Maybe we are not talking about excuses. Except I think that we are. Reasons and excuses...where do you draw the line.

Regarding speculation, yes, it happens and I do understand the need for humans to explain things. Unfortunately around here soon as a newbie comes on and has read all the MLC stuff and says my wife/husband is in deep replay or whatever, the troops quickly come out to say poor baby, yes s/he is in MLC. I see it time and time again. I like to first stop the bleeding, then examine the question and get them away from the rash labeling of MLC and generally suggest they seek a counselor to discuss the issue.

And as a man, I have seen enough of these guys to know that many of the truly great guys are really lowlife scumbags, bad childhood or not.

IMP