angelica,

If I am correct, I believe I read that you do substance abuse counseling. I used to go to NA meeting. I watched plenty of people tell me to do what they said, only to watch them go out and do the opposite. I had a sponsor who was clean for 14 years. he used to tell me the rule. Don't get romantically involved with someone for their first year. And then I would watch him make a fool of himself over some woman new to the program. Guys would tell me how bad I was for having a beer with dinner and they seemed to get a newcomers key chain every 6 weeks. That experience is one of the reasons I post as I do. And I left NA because I couldn't take the hypocrisy. And thank you very much, the last drink I had with dinner was enjoyable. Now when did I have that?

angelica, you said:
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Please do not think that because I disagree with you I don't respect what you say, and consider if carefully.
To be honest, I really don't say much anyone can disagree with. And I really don't know exactly what your disagreement with me here is. Look at my mantra above. That is what I am about. That is what I say. If you disagree with something I say, quote me and tell me why. One of the things I changed about me after I got the bomb was a willingness to admit my mistakes.

And to get to your original point, I will agree that people can't be rushed (still trying to see where I said rushed). But they can be helped along. And last time I checked, this whole forum falls under the umbrella of DBing. I still follow the principles of DBing. DBing is active. DBing is about doing things different. DB is a book we bought because we are looking for help in saving a marriage. If I see someone hurting themselves in that quest, I am going to tell them. Because I am going to try and save them from themselves. I am allowed to do that.

Yes, I also say what I have seen over 7 years on this board. Yes, I tell people I have no idea what their spouse is saying and challenge those who deign to know. There's just not much to argue with because when I don't have a clue, I keep my mouth shut. Some could learn from that.

And finally, your opening sentience.
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you are like a terrier with a bone
Not even close. Terriers are high-strung animals. I am much more of a mastiff. I can take my time with a bone, because no one can take it away from me.

IMP