How'd ya like an extra son for a couple years Actually, S17 is a good kid, Eagle scout, top 10% of his class in a tough catholic (all boys) hs, doesn't drink or do drugs (actually complains to us about how prevalent it is and that he is somewhat an outcast because he won't participate in the drinking/drugging), etc. He frustrates us because he lacks initiative and direction (we kept a firm foot on his behind by holding his driver's license over his head to finish up his Eagle requirements), and because he has an entitled attitude, well about everything. Right now his response to everything he doesn't like is either "that's retarded", "that's gay", or "that's stupid". These are things like curfews, limits on telephone time, restrictions on using the car (not his car), and paying his bills, and requiring a chaperone when he goes out with his GF (only because MrsGGB caught them Fcking on the front lawn in the middle of the afternoon two weeks ago...could just as easily been one of the kids, or our neighbor's 3yo that came across them). He's also gotten negative on his HS experience. This is a HS he loved until last winter. We think it changed with this GF, as she's gone on how she hates her school (all girls, sister school to S17's school) since we first met her. Anyway, comparatively speaking, I guess we don't have it so bad...but.