EAA, Sounds like I running step in step with you. After our converstation last night, it sounds like my W is committed to proceeding with D or mediation. I need to follow up on your thread, so I'm not sure what the hurt is she feels you caused, but in my case, she says she has just fallen out of love and has been that way for a long time. She also has no desire to try to fix it or work on things. I've thought about Retrouvaille also, but I doubt that I could get her there at this point.