Braveheart and Mickey, I again thankyou for your replies, yes we have gone very dark on this ass, no contact with either of us since beginning of April, only sighting of him was at the courthouse and the only contact to son was via the birthday card, I for one could never see me not having contact with my son for 5 months, and yes you are right son doesn't seem to be bothered he says if his dad can do this to him then he isn't a dad, and he vows never to do anything like this to his kids, we are just so wanting to get our own place but the authorities over here are so darned slow. So yes it's true we also think to hell with him, but why can't he leave us alone, he indeed as created this, he was the one that walked he is the one that has got himself married to the biggest bike walking, why doesn't he get on with it and leave us alone, at least one thing for sure when we have left here there is nothing left for him to control us with, he as taken everything from us that he could and we can only wait until she dumps him to see him with nothing and no-body, what a complete waste of a man he is.