LOL Cemar. I already *knew* what you would say. I wish I could remember that quote of yours about swallowing that Hairdog put in his sig for a while. Anyway, I was curious what *other* men on the board thought.
I need to clarify, although this feels pretty weird being *so* candid. OK. I don't take the sperm into my mouth at all. I do the standard bj until he is ready and then I move my mouth to the shaft and add my hand, at the very last second. Switching to hand only ahead of time, which is what I used to do, is more awkward and clunky. A better word than "clunky" escapes me at the moment.
I did swallow once, quite by accident, years and years ago before we were married. I missed his cues, ended up with a "mouthful" and reflexively swallowed, almost before I realized what had happened. I don't think I gagged and retched and I was no worse for the wear LOL.
I think taking it in my mouth and spitting it out would be rude somehow. I've always been afraid of my gag reflex and I just have this idea that if I did that it would ruin the whole experience.
It's taste, smell, and texture. It's just sensory overload, combined with subliminal conditioning about it being unsavory and you get the picture. Maybe I should try doing the whole thing one of these months when I'm bathing in hormones.
I think Mojo told us a while back how to swallow without tasting. Something about putting the penis way in the back of your mouth so the stuff goes right down your throat. Haven't tried that. But see, all this talk has got me thinking about things.
No, She says "absolutely not" to toys. When pressed, she says one shouldn't need toys, she doesn't see why I would want to try them. For the record, she has never MB either. She has gotten to the point where she will give me a BJ, but she stops before I finish, and finishes it by hand, which is less than satisfying. For you ladies out there, it would be like your H getting you right up to the edge and then stopping whatever got you there and changing to something much less stimulating. I don't care if she swallows or not, but it would be nice to finish what she started. I'll take what I get over nothing though.
One of these days, you never know, you'll get tempted to taste your fingers after they've been inside you. And you'll do it because there's a little voice in your head (mine) saying it's really not that bad. And then maybe you'll gag and retch and never do it again - LOL. But it won't kill you.
I went through kind of the same process before I started giving oral. I had tried it a few times over the years and didn't like it... it kind of hurt my neck and jaw, and didn't taste all that good. Then one day I caught her as she was coming out of the shower, and got her towel off of her and started messing with her and decided to go for it, seeing as she was nice and clean and all... it didn't hurt that I'd been watching some videos that showed various angles of attack that I could try and that showed just how much women love that sort of thing.
She asked if it tasted all right. I kissed her. She liked it. But not enough to invite another girl over to join in
Anyway, she nearly always takes a shower before sex these days for some unexplained reason...
Originally Posted By: haphazard
To be honest it tastes far pleasanter than sperm, especially smoker's sperm.
I'll just take your word for it
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a fine and enviable madness, this delusion that all questions have answers, and nothing is beyond the reach of a strong left arm.
I can hear some woman right now thinking, "if he doesn't O, he doesn't love very much or she isn't exciting enough for him!
BF, I would think you not O'ing would cause a woman some problems? I hear women saying they get a great deal of satisfaction making, helping, or being part of the process in the guy cumming. It's the, she gets hot because he is hot factor.
Hi Lou. That is some excellant hearing you have there. I dont get a chance to read here much, didnt mean to ignore your questions.
If she thinks I dont love her, well I didnt tell her I did, nor do I act or otherwise communicate I do, so thats a pretty good assumption. I remember this movie where the guy faked it and then was running around going to all this effort to keep up the lie. It was funny but a waste of energy. The reason I dont, or choose not to O has a number of reasons, but the one I was talking- to Hap about- was simply cause/effect of frequency.
As for my not O'ing causing a woman problems??? Inability to become pregnant comes to mind. I suppose she could view that as a problem. LOL.
What kind of REAL problems would it cause them?
When they dont O, I dont worry about it, so I wouldnt expect them to worry about mine. I hear women saying they get a great deal of satisfaction making, helping, or being part of the process in the guy cumming.
Ill let Hap answer that... 1. She can abdicate all responsibility and relax 2. She likes to be with a man that knows what he wants and knows how to get it [I guess her part of the process is being willing/receptive] 3. She likes to feel like the guy is stronger than her 4. Risk/vulnerability. Submitting to him doing whatever he wants with her is very vulnerable and for this reason VERY sexy. It's all about really trusting the guy.
Ive heard women say that too Lou, but my education says what Hap said works better. So she may try on occasion,(rarely) and Ill let her for a little bit, then I flip her. Besides I know what I like. She doesnt.
Back to frequency. If a man only wants/needs to O 3x a week, he can still be 'a considerate and gracious' lover by having sex 6x a week. When x would go thru a HD phase, there is no way I would be able to O every time. If you do her with certain techniques, she isnt even going to notice if you did or not, especially with a condom. If she thinks she is not exciting enough, thats her issue, and most likely going to be self fullfilling. Im pretty sensitive to that, I fell for it once, I dont try bolstering women's self esteem anymore. NMJ. Its called SELF esteem for a reason. There is no reward in trying to give something, that should come from inside.
Lou, Im a big fan of PBTS, but being O driven is obviously masculine issue. It is also completely understandable when you are starving. Several women have mentioned losing the desire, when the frequency doesnt stay high/consistant. Can't have that. Ill do what I need to, to prevent that. It may look like hardwork, but its purely for selfish reasons.
as I continue to try and understand men... so any man, including blackfoot, who might read this, please comment: Im not sure what your asking but Ill take a stab at it,
This, for me, answers Lou's question about control. It's from the book Mojo recommended. The author quoted another expert: Quote: By R. Louis Schultz in "Out in the Open: The Complete Male Pelvis:
To live in society, we all require a degree of control. Too much control, however, and we can become automatons. Control is always being right.Control is not letting your feelings influence your life. If you let feelings influence your life, you wouldnt have heroes, and firemen and policemen and soldiers. I think feelins are great for feeling. I dont T H I N K, they are a good way to make choices. Addiction comes from feeling. Rage comes from feeling. etc etc. Control is not letting the joy of life be a goal. Control is not expressing your feelings. How I express my feelings is not to be dictated by anyone, let alone somone who has a completely different chemical makeup then I do. My feelings are expressed. Just because they are not understood, does not mean they are not expressed. I can be told accurately and honestly what OP feelings would like to recieve, with the good will and positive thinking that it will be given when and where I can, but I will NOT be told how to have/show MY feelings. I LOVE the opportunities technology provides us with seeing whether OP assume the negative or the positive. ex. w:'why didnt you call me back', M:'I was taking a nap and had my phone turned off. Did you leave a VM?' W:'No.' M:'Ahh- maybe thats why then.' why does the negative have to be presumed? Why not presume the positive? Its easier to succed when you think you are going to. Control is being neutral or neuter. Thats just society and feminism trying to strangle sexuality. Women are extremely receptive. Control is not being sensual. Control is lessening the enjoyment of sex. I dont have to enjoy tennis for the exact same reason my partner does. In fact Im more likely to want to play again with someone who beats me, then with someone who cant hit it back over the net. Removing money from the equation Instructors dont enjoy the activities their students are doing for the same reason the students enjoy it. Control is not being aware or responsive to the feelings of others, since you are not aware of your own feelings. I dont call that control, I call that insecurity and being lost in your own feelings and internal voice. Sometimes its hiding, sometimes its cavetime. Control is always being on an even emotional plane.SOUNDS DELICIOUS!!
A lot of woman's complaints from women about men:
"He's disconnected from his feelings," more likely he just isnt mirroring her or reading her mind. W: I wish my H was like you, you are so in tune with your feelings. Therapist: No, Im just in tune with yours. Requiring mind reading is Emotional dictating. Covert contracts would cover this. Does fidelty fall under a covert contract? If it does, I would be guilty of it, which would explain why I play Relational leap frog. Dont believe in it. anyways, Very Very few women ever correctly read my mind. Ive demonstrated that here, many times. Still requiring mind reading isnt nearly as objectionable as being told what you feel. , "He won't let go, he keeps everything inside," Very few men with a WAW are keeping everything inside. Those that do, get their wives back. Likely if he wasnt punished for expressing himself as man, he wouldnt hold back. , "We have sex, but we don't make love," sorry to hear that. I havent 'made love' in...wow, close to 4 years. I recommend some talks that include the phrases ' I would like '-followed by exact and explicit directions and instructions'. “He won’t talk about sex; he walks away the minute I bring up the conversation.” He wont talk about sex, or he wont listen to her, poke and prod at his shortcomings and weaknesses? When I hear the phrase 'talk about sex' I think of converstations, not diatribes.
My guess is, as a single male, blackfoot just isn't in love with someone. My ability to fall 'in love' or become infatuated is I suspect nonexistant. My knees dont shake before I go diving, that doesnt mean I dont look forward to it. My palms dont sweat with nerves before I climb, that doesnt mean I dont enjoy the challange. Why would he relax his control on such a level of intimacy? I dont have intimacy. Sex is not intimate. I had a lot of sex with x, for close to a decade. she didnt know anything about me, ( a fact not disputed, and in fact agreed with, by her) nor did she want to. It is often sensuous or sporting, mutually satisfying, or a friendly gesture. Very few want intimacy. trust me. For example, look at Mojo, or even Hap. She does not want intimacy. She wants a Fun Bonobo, a pirate, a wolf. None of those archetypes say, Intimacy. Thats not a dig. They want someone who feels the same way they do. Though why anyone would want to be ravaged by a scurvy plagued, lice ridden, toothless, idiot who didnt have the sense to prevent being shanghai'd, who is going to stave your head in after, (or maybe during) he is finished with you (quite promptly I suspect since its been so long), is beyond me. But hey, no accounting for taste.
OK. I don't take the sperm into my mouth at all. I do the standard bj until he is ready and then I move my mouth to the shaft and add my hand, at the very last second. Switching to hand only ahead of time, which is what I used to do, is more awkward and clunky. A better word than "clunky" escapes me at the moment.
lice ridden, 
toothless, 
idiot who didnt have the sense to prevent being shanghai'd, who is going to stave your head in after, (or maybe during) he is finished with you (quite promptly I suspect since its been so long), is beyond me. 
