I want to try to respond to some of the earlier posts before I have to run.

Hello again NDDT (my long-time co-registrant; same day I think).

Originally Posted By: NDDT
Originally Posted By: Nomopo
I think another part of me feels like I would be upset with myself if I found out that if I had just been patient things would work out. But I don't even know if I can just be patient. I don't think this is just about impatience. I really think something is changing in me.

Any thoughts?


Perhaps like me the realization is setting in, that no matter what I did she was going to choose to NOT be happy. Perhaps it was not meant to be??


I don't think that is it. I don't think she's done. But, I realize she might be. We'll see, but I don't think that is what was motivating me or causing my feelings/thoughts to change.

Hi BD!

Originally Posted By: Heimlich
This is kindof a random thought, so take it for what it's worth, but it feels like there may be something in it. You just spent a weekend with a gaggle of attractive, strong women all actively engaged in making their R's better. Your W can't help but pale in comparison to that level of engagement shown by the ladies of the Orlando Krew (anybody a graphic designer? That logo could be GD's next tat)


Could be. That level of commitment is attractive to me. If my W got passionate about saving our M, I think I would react very well to that.

Originally Posted By: Heimlich
You've been on this road for a long time, I think you've written 15 months before you found DBing and solutions-based councelling. Since you've found DBing, your W recently seems to be opening up more and discovering the things inside of her that haven't meshed well with you and you've done the same. While a breakthrough isn't imminent, there seem to be definate signs of awakening on your W's part.


Yes, I think there have been baby steps, but I think we have so far to go to get to where we deserve, and unless and until W wakes up it wold never happen. So, if she wakes up (and this helps do it), GREAT! If not, I will be sad, I will mourn all that I am losing, but I will be FINE and happy to go to the next phase of my life. \:\)

Originally Posted By: Heimlich
You may be done, or on your way to being there -- to crossing that line. If so, that's OK. It would be a shame for you W to decide to make it work but you be over her.


Which is why I had to say something sooner rather than later, and why C encouraged it.

Originally Posted By: Heimlich
In the phone conversation, your W is doing what the C asked for. Seems to be a good thing.


That was a very good thing, and I missed it at the time. Thanks for pointing it out. W mentioned it in JC this morning. I should have done more cheerleading.

Hi charlie! Thanks for the kind words.

Originally Posted By: Strongerthanthis
I think to put it plainly you if you decide this is it you can truly look in the mirror and say I did my best and can face life in the future knowing this.


I am proud of my efforts and my accomplishments with regard to my sitch.

Originally Posted By: Strongerthanthis
Although your still making progress and maybe this is the ultimate 180 which can work.


Could be. That would be great if it comes to pass. We'll see.

That's all I have time for until tonight. Back to the rest of you later!

Nomo \:\)


M 39
W 39
M'd 10 yrs; T 14 yrs
S7 D4
Bomb 5-8-05
W not working on M 1-22-07; EA 2-22
DB 4-10
S 6-11
No more C
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