Bob, I haven't a chance to look at the threads. BUt get this at lunch I get a call and its H and wants to know if I would like to go to lunch with him and S. They had driven 20 miles to go to lunch with me as they were passing thru to go to BIL. He was very pleasant but my son is also fun and is going away to college Sunday. He kept the conversation light. I think H even enjoyed it and didn't look bummed. I just wonder if he sees what he is trying to throw away. I still thinks he still wants me and her too. I am just making my self a little more distant and not quite so handy.