If he doesn't want to, but you are still horny, play with your toys. If he doesn't like it, he can leave. But there is no reason to predict a single action or response of his until he gives you one. Then you act or respond. Genuinely.

I don't have any toys! Maybe I should get some. One of the things about me is I have never MB'd on my own behalf. I've done it as part of sex play, but never by myself. I just get bored. Sex is a game for two players as far as I'm concerned. It'd be like playing chess with yourself.

Be you. Let him be him. He seems to be making efforts(???). He is

And the next time he gets you off, don't make a single move toward his penis. Let him indicate to you that that is what he WANTS. Don't assume.

The first time he was still moving his hips which is what made me assume. The second night it was the same but I just acted like I didn't notice. You know too post-coitally out of it to notice or care - LOL

But this isn't just about me, Corri, like you said on your Burns Notice thread you wanted to throw open the discussion to something more general.

H is being a trooper but like Cemar I feel like that's not always what would float my boat. Cemar just feels like sometimes he'd like to have his socks knocked off by a horny passionate woman who needs him RIGHT NOW. Sometimes I want to be ravished by a pirate, crying come here wench and ripping my bodice off. H never gets a chance to get himself into pirate mode because his drive is forever being over-satisfied. Cemar's wife never gets into horny hussy mode because her drive is being over-satisfied.

If it is the case that party A has a bigger appetite than party B what apart from tying ourselves into horrendous relationship knots are we supposed to do about it?

Fran


if we can be sufficient to ourselves, we need fear no entangling webs
Erica Jong