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#1134205 07/16/07 12:47 PM
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Quote:2. Are there any dreams you've had that you were too afraid to start, or perhaps you thought were just too crazy?

Take dance class
Kayaking
Trip to a spa out west by myself
Career change

OK...inexpensive dance classes? Check out the YMCA. Salsa? Merengue? Tango? Jazz?

How about a 1 day class in Kayaking? Live near a lake or river?

Can you afford a trip out west? If you email me at theoden.king@hotmail.com, I actually can recommend a place in the Montana Rockies which is dirt cheap to stay at. It's a spiritual retreat center. You can then drive to a nice spa I can recommend for a day.

What's your current career? What would be interested in changing? I can actually help alot with this. I've been doing loads of thinking about this and my Counselor specializes in kick-starting people's thinking about careers. He's written 2 books on it. I recommend you read, "What should I do with My Life?" by Bronson.

Here's your assignment.

You must email me and I'll help with the career stuff. I'll recommend activities/excercizes/books. theoden.king@hotmail.com

And....you must research ONE of the other things on that list and get back to us by Monday of next week. (Dance class, Kayaking or Trip out west)



ASSIGNMENT COMPLETED: Borrowing a kayak and in two weeks going up to a lake to spend the day with my daughter.

Career-wise - can't do the new career thing right now; need too much $$$; will soon be starting new J-O-B in my current profession.

EXTRA CREDIT - having a girlfriend party at my house Friday night \:\)

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Good job - sounds like you took your homework seriously! I hope your weekend went well - you sound like you were busy planning all of the above!

I am so proud of you - your true self is starting to shine through!

Have a great week!

HB \:\)


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5. Volunteer in a homeless shelter, crisis pregnancy center or inner-city program regularly. When you see how the other (lower) half lives, you'll learn not to fear or sweat the small stuff.

Does volunteering at the doggie shelter count? I just love them all and want them to come home with me so I haven't done it in the past. Seeing them there makes me cry.

Thanks for the support HB.. Things are good with you guys I'm assuming \:\)


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Yes, we did the drive in this weekend (our kids are gone for three weeks - great time for us to reconnect)...

But OW sent ME and email Sunday AM Grrrrr - she is just to stupid for words. She seems to be getting rather desperate here at the end...

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I LOOOOOVVVE it when they get desparate.. hahahaha! Gosh.I'm pure evil! Was she giving you a fake apology again?? WHATEVER!

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Olive,

Doggie shelter is OK. I'd rather you serve people. ;-)

Re: Career. Ok. This needs to get kick-started. Look at the book What Should I do with My Life?

Thanks,

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Well.. the career thing is kind of kick-started in that I'm taking a huge promotional opportunity in which I better get my sh!t together.

I think I've read that book. Actually know what I'd like to do. It's just hard to downsize life at the moment...

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Hey olive,

Nice to see you are back. Kind of, I mean if everything in your R worked out and you left that would be great. Ya had me worried. I have had those BAD days.
Stay tuned for Husbands continuing saga.

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Thanks Hubby.. I just read about your trip. Sounds like you did great and kept your expectations under wraps as well. Awesome!

Step forward? H and I got into an argument last night. He did his usual - got irritated with me; said whatever and walked away. I - instead of not saying anything and just distancing myself - stated my case. Later - he apologized and I was able to further explain my point. Honestly - this is a HUGE step for us as far as communicating. Last week H also apologized for getting mad about something else - i.e - not listening and understanding what I was really saying. hmmmm....

Has anyone else gotten to the point where you view what used to be thought of as "positives" as just false? It just seems like the same old "good things" happen at times and then H's back to calling ow in front of me, tm'ing all the time, etc. I just don't even view any kind of hugs or affection as meaning a darn thing. Maybe I've just spent the past few months analyzing every move and now I know that is meaningless.. I do find it interesting, however, that it is starting to bug him that he is missing out on some fun outings. Even though these have been limited at this point.. he just recently said it bothers him .. hmmm...

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Olive...

In my situation, the hugs and affection were always there, even when my wife was sleeping with OM. The positives sometimes, may just be neutrals. I'm not sure.

This will go on indefintely unless you change your game.

How to change your game:

1. Go ballistic with your GAL activities. I want him to see that you can be happy without him and that, not only are you having fun, you are transforming into a mysterious, wonderful creature. You need to start going out at night, on occasion, and not tell him where you are going. You need to be all dolled-up. Going out for drinks with girlfriends, etc. You know he's jealous and responsive to your "blossoming".

You see, he needs you to be "nice", servile, doting, weak, pathetic and desperate. This way he can justify leaving you.

When you are strong, fun, self-confident and independent it screws with his thinking.

2. When he walks away from and argument and says, "Whatever", try this: "Do NOT walk away, I am not finished discussing this." That'll get his attention. Try it as an experiment. If he listens, then, BRAVO. If he still walks away, then nothing has really changed.

What's he going to do? Leave you? He's afraid to do that. Honey. Remember two can play that game. He's as afraid of walking out as much as you are. Only, he has YOU thinking that he's ready to walk out anytime. He's not. He's a cake-eater. He CAN'T afford to leave. You have much more power than you think. Step back and consider this.

3. When he calls or TM's her in front of you. Tell him, "I'd like to speak with you for a moment when you are done." When he's free, tell him calmly, "I know you are still in process about our relationship and you seem to still feel the need to be in contact with OW. At this stage, I am giving all the space you need to figure this out. However, you need to know that I am not invisible and I will not accept you calling or TM this other woman in front of me. Have the common decency to do that when I am not present. Fair enough?" Then.....go silent. Don't say a word. Stare him down. Look in his eyes and don't let go of your gaze. Hold him with your eyes and your silence. The first person to talk loses. It's an old sales technique. You are "closing the deal."

I think he'll agree. He'll also respect you more.

If he says, "No -- I can talk to her in front of you if I want to." Then look calmly into his eyes and say, "If that's how you want it, so be it. I think, however, that some changes are in order in this household." Go silent. Then walk away.

He might say, "What changes?" He'll be freaked out. Don't answer. Just say, "You'll see."

Honestly, I have no freaking idea what changes you might implement. You don't want to give empty threats, otherwise, he'll further lose respect for you.. but here are some ideas:

1. Step up GAL. Have him watch your kid while YOU come home at 2AM from certain evenings. Make him suspect you are living a wilder life. Start acting like you don't give a damn what he thinks. Remember, I don't think he'll leave you. He's too afraid to do that. He's trying to get you to leave.

2. I hate to say this, but refuse him sex for 1 or 2 weeks. Don't tell him you are going to refuse him, but when he initiates, shut him down. When he gets really cranky and starts to complain. Tell him that you are giving all the space he needs to figure out the relationship, but you will not accept him communicating with OW in front of you. And tell him, if he wants to make love to you, he needs to respect your boundaries.

And Olive this is not a huge boundary. You are not even asking him to stop communicating with OW. You are telling him not to do so in front of you and then expect you to open yourself emotionally and physcially to him. He CALLS his lover in front of you...and expects you to have sex with him at his beck and call? You don't need to stand for it. It's a high-handed form of disrepect.

I'm distinguishing this from giving him an ultimatum, which would be: end it with her or I'll stop sleeping with you. You are telling him not to rub it in your face.

Does that make sense?

I know this is hard, but be brave.

One final thought. You've asked him to leave. He won't. And you are not leaving yet. Think about it -- he's not walking out. He's acting like a first-class scumbag and he won't leave. So...what are you afraid of? That he'll leave? HE WON'T DO IT. HE'S AS "STUCK" AS YOU ARE. It's time, perhaps to start true DB, which is, experiment and monitor results.

Try a little more boundary setting. If it doesn't work, what's the worst thing that can happen? He'll leave? He won't do it. I'm sure he won't. In fact, maybe this is the way for him to leave the house -- you putting your foot down.

--Theoden


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