Its morning now here and funny how things seem a bit clearer. Your comments Matt , j and L all make sense. I need to talk with W about S16 and more importantly get her to talk to him. It doesnt occur to W that she should go find and sit with him when he hides away and start talking. Quite honestly she is focussed on herself so much right now and last night i was angry at her for that ( not in person but later when I wrote that post ) . Time to put that anger away and work on whats best for S