Thank you all so much for the support , it realy helps through tough times like this. W came around this afternoon and spent some time with the youngest two at our house while I went out and visited some friends and did a few things I needed to do. Oh yeah she knocked before she came in , we both laughed about that. I got us both a coffee and W told me she woke at 2.00 am and couldnt get back to sleep. This is after only about 4 hrs sleep the night before as well. At S's suggestion she stayed and had take away dinner with us and we all watched a movie together then W left and headed back to her place. I dont know if it was good thing but its sure nice that we had some family time. Interesting that Saturday nite fish and chips are a bit of a tradition and we put a blanket out and eat on the floor , all except W who has always got a plate and sat on the couch. Tonight she joined us all on the floor. W asked D if she would stay tommorrow nite with her and D doesnt want to go , that hurt W I am sure. I will talk to D in the morning and explain that it would help me out if she goes and stays with W for the nite. I got 2 hugs when W left then S16 comes down and makes sure I am OK. I tell you they are great kids.