The xw and sons are back from their short trip, sounds like everything went well after all. xw is now passing the hysterics off as "her time of the month" (or maybe I think her "change of life"). I get the feeling it's deeper than than but went ahead and validated to keep the peace.

For my part, after even more analyization (seems I do a lot of that), think some of it is cold feet on my part to play down the date to "just normal" which I have done in the past, backed off and she didn't come forward. This time I'm sticking to the plan and going for it, won't leave town again wondering if we could have gotten further that just a light date. So far she has not said no to anything of mine so going to see how far that envelope extends.

"Would I want her back now?", no, but I need to put the gears in motion so we can have a chance at an us when I move back in a year and a half to two years. Like you said, she needs to work on herself, but she also needs a guide to help her. The crowd she hangs out with now will not get her there so I figure it's up to me. Have done the light, fun thing for a while now with her, it's finally time to get down to business. Will keep the kids out of it, any foundation would need to start with the two of us. She may not be ready for it but sometimes a good "cage rattling" is just the thing to wake a person up. Thanks for the 4c from the two of you. RJ


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