BeingMe, Good to hear from you. I do need to watch those men/women generalizations, we're all people. Think it's one of those things where one person gets tired of always having to tell the other what they want like "I want you to WANT to do the dishes" after asking to do the dishes a few hundred times.
Funny thing, the xw was a cryptographer in the AF when we first met in the dorms, maybe that explains some things. You got me too, what does "IOW" stand for? Thanks for the support, thinking of starting a thread on "when does the M really end and OK to date, only after the D is final?" which is my stance but see more and more these days cultural acceptance to start seeing someone else as soon as the decision "I want out" is made or after papers are filed.
