Jeff, Have been having fun on the vacation, more than expected. D19 and I have been hanging out, movies, dinners, putt-putt, etc. She has a boyfriend she had me meet, he's OK, but no one is good enough for my girl. She says he reminds her of me which makes for a tough argument to go against.
The dating stage takes different amounts of time to reach for each person. For me it took a couple months after D even though others start when going through the proceedings. There is usually an urge to start early, at least there was for me, but looking back, can see I wasn't ready then.
Expectations almost always end bad so why have them? It's OK to have a little hope but to be counting on something that is so unsure is asking for it.
That fine line gets even finer the farther things progress, it's like at some point I feel she is going to say no to something but she hasn't yet while at the same time she has not shown a lot of initiative. What the heck, I'm already a lot farther than I thought I'd be so will continue to press. If she says no, will back off then and re-evaluate/see if see comes to me. It's like a game but it's too important to be a game. Things were so much easier the first time around. Wish me luck with the courtship and flirting and such. RJ