Swashy, I think you are a success story also. If you are happy and a better person, what more can you ask for. Sometimes I wonder why I hang on...but I do love my W and I don't really think she knows what she wants right now. She said that she has to be happy with herself first. I'm in no hurry to do anything so will see what the future holds. The pain of those initial words ILYBINILWY has lessened a little. I hold out hope but I know I would be okay without her. It just seems like it would be 14 years down the drain sometimes. I'd do it again though because I got 3 graet kids out of it! I guess I would sell my boat also if we decide to split. Do you like basesball? Boston Fan? I can't stand Boston or New York! I like the Orioles.....well that is another depressing story