jethro..it does make sense..and until you brought it up I hadn't thought too much about it..as I was thinking about our past 2 years when all these changes were slowly starting and the distancing was beginning, our sex was good..we have always connected there, even after 24 yrs!..so I guess I see your point, as h and I have never beeen close in other areas the sex was all I got..I was devastated when it all ended last March..almost as much as our m being in real trouble..now while I sure miss it, I am seeing that there can be so much more to a r then the "sex". So thank you for bringing up a very private part of a r...one more great thing about all the friends I have met..opening up subjects and ideas to get us thinking about all sorts of different things.I feel like I have matured and am learning for the first time in my life what a true r between two people should be. Sorry I rambled on your thread..I am just so excited about "things" Sue