Originally Posted By: AmbientCoast
Originally Posted By: stu
Did she ever say exactly why this is so?


She's been direct enough with me to tell me it's because she hates her body, although I'm guessing there are other issues surrounding this, even on top of 'tiredness with work', 'two young kids', 'headaches' and so on, and so on.

As someone pointed out a little while ago, you don't have to keep the lights on.


Kinda weird but true... a man doesn't care what his own body looks like, as long as his partner approves of it; he's way more interested in what his partner's body looks like. But if a woman doesn't like her own body, she gets turned off.

Originally Posted By: AmbientCoast

Only thing is, I'm waiting and waiting and waiting, and nothing concrete seems to be happening - although I have noticed a big increase in affection & communication between us in the last couple weeks. Got an 'ILY' after work last night, and another this morning, amongst other nice stuff.


That doesn't exactly count as "nothing". It's just the first steps along the way. If she was "friendzoning" you permanently, she'd keep the physical affection limited and try to string you along with words, the way all the "just friends" girls did in high school.

Originally Posted By: AmbientCoast

So that's where I'm coming from in all this - I'm basically trying to decide *how much longer* I can wait, whilst at the same time GAL, PMA and all that kind of stuff.


A good dose of GAL & PMA will help you hold out longer. With the loving detachment added in, you'll be more attractive and more able to stand your ground when it comes to that.

A lot of dads manage to get 50/50 custody if they fight for it, assuming your W doesn't just leave the kids with you again. At any rate, if you're too afraid of her leaving, you'll walk on eggshells around her, and that'll just make you less attractive and more annoying. At some point, you have to get to know the possibilities and be able to accept them with equanimity, in order to keep fear from driving you to accept less than you need to make you truly happy.


a fine and enviable madness, this delusion that all questions have answers, and nothing is beyond the reach of a strong left arm.