I read and read these boards but do not usually post. I find myself being outraged on behalf of other long suffering spouses. It seems easy to "know" what they should be doing. I get crazy{er} watching patterns repeat and repeat....

Let's both jump off the "Crazy Train". The drunky and workaholic and sex addicted engineers will probably not notice for awhile. Until they derail in a big way, maybe...

Al-Anon is very useful. Even if you do not go to meetings, the readings help distressed partners get calm stay focused on the bigger picture.