One thing that came up more than ones in our M was BB saying, "why don't men just get over want sex" like it was something a man could turn off or on with a switch.

Another female friend said once a man reaches 60/retirement age, there ought to be some marital contract clause, that sex should be over.

Does telling a W how lonely, rejected a man feels, ever penetrate those anti-sexual attitudes?

And here I am, last night trying to stir the good feelings that might lead to a sexual encounter. I got BB clothes off, did the kissing, did the body caressing, put my leg on her leg, then got the "You don't really want to do anything, do you? So I said yes I do.

Back and forth a few times but it looked like I would have to be the heavy so I said I needed a hand job, only BB thought that was icky. I placed her hand on my groin a couple of times and took care of myself. Then proceeded to rub her back for 10 minuets.

??The occasion??>Duplicating a previous event. It used to be when BB wanted something, she acted sexy. She wanted a TV for the bedroom. I got a deal on one and ran the cable to connect the TV to the Cable system. This time there wasn't any sexy bait thrown my way.

Why the HJ? I did that for me. I got tired of backing down, not wanting to make her uncomfortable.

Did I feel rejected, Yes, some. Rejection or being wanted wasn't the main goal. An alterative goal was for me to go for something and not back down. It is one reason I changed my screen name to Do It Yourself, meaning I have to do it myself, I can’t rely on books or someone else.

I could say how rejected I felt. I don't think I personally would have gotten anywhere, that is till I was about to pack my bags and leave.

I am calm, straight faced, and in a matter of fact mood, not happy, not sad with the results of this M, which is more like a science project day by day.

So, the question is for the women that woke up and saw that it is more about being wanted than getting off. What might work?

Any opinions?

Lou