Being Me, I do want this to be a joint discussion. It is a joint decision to separate. Yes, it is true that one person's actions have forced this choice but, again, we must co-parent together and the best way to do that is to be united in raising our children. You can't do that by exposing and pissing off the other for the sake of looking good in front of the kids! It sets up a destructive pattern. On the other hand, W made choices that she should be OK to discuss with the kids, she feels she's done no wrong (nutcase!), so let it all hang out. I, on the other hand, believe she has done a great deal that is wrong BUT do you say that to the kids? "Mom and I disagree on the morality of what she has chosen to do?" I dunno. OnTheBeach, just to clarify, I don't have to leave. In fact, my proposal will state that I stay in the home. I feel that would be best for the kids. W cannot be home at a decent hour from work whereas I can be here by 4:30 pm. That said, I am also not necessarily wed to being here either. I can see it might be beneficial for me to be away from the old life in order to build a new one. Time will tell which way it goes. Check me out at the end of June. Thanks for the links Being Me and Oldtimer.