I don't know, but I think the hold they have them is sickening. My H said that the OW has helped him become a stronger person and that he wants to be with her and she will be a part of our children's lives. I told him that he is crazy to think that i will let another woman be with my children, one that has helped in breaking up our family and one that has doubts about being a step-mom. I will fight for my children and I will fight until the end. My H is crazy and his lies are driving me crazy. Right now, I just want him to leave me alone. I told OW things that he said to me, and if she doesn't realize what lies he makes, then she will only find out the hard way. I think they are both crazy. Once again, thank you everyone for input. It really does feel good that others understand.