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Is there a way to suggest getting together some without it appearing to be a date?
Don't see what's wrong with calling a date a date, to try and call it something else sounds underhanded or weak. If two independent individuals want to go out, whatever their past, they should be able to.

Had a call from xw today and she was exceptionally friendly so that was a way to test the waters some. She talked about coming out to the new place later in the summer and was not expecting to hear that. It's a fine line like you put it, between being overly interested and being disinterested. It's easy not having any expectations knowing I'll be on a plane to live across country in a couple of weeks. Just having some genuinely pleasant times and maybe more if things go that way but no expectations. Having been back in the dating pool for several months now, rejection doesn't sting much anymore.

Change: Don't see how people that go through this experience and give significant self-reflection can't change but there are those that do stay in denial or jump quickly into another relationship without really understanding what went wrong and needed changed from the last one. Good point about change or going back to the beginning, don't know as long as we are better people for it and there is always room for more improvement.

Again, think the recent dating experiences have prepared me so going for it, finding and dating other women has gotten easier so restarting over with xw sounds feasible. Going for the "just the two of us" line of thinking and attempt, no, will put all the past/present cr@p behind us and out of the picture.

Well, that's the plan today anyway. Make any sense? RJ "Strong but humble"


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