WOW! Guys, again, I didn't mean for everyone to take this as a hostile attack on your beliefs. I didn't realize I would get my head ripped off for having a different outlook on this situation! First, AMYC, I certainly didn;t mean to cast a negative light on your situation, on the contrary, I was comending you for having the courage to admit your past mistakes, and for your untiring effort to restore your message. Amy, you are very wrong in the sense that you stated that I don;t follow your threads, I do intently! That is why I have said that you haven;t achieved a lot of success, not from your efforts, but by the actions of your husband. I am aware of the post about the liplock, great for you! Perhaps its the turning point for greater things for you, and I certainly hope so. I was in fact referring to many of your pervious posts about your frustration about lack of progress, thus is why I posted what I did. If I offended you, I am truly sorry, I didn't want that. RCR, I sure wouldn't want you to look like me! LOL That is a curse worse than MLC! Am I negative, well, I suppose I am in a way, I guess anyone who looks at something with a less than rosey outlook can be cast that way, again, I don't mean to be, I am working on it. Am I bitter? Well, again, in a way I suppose I am, again, I am working on it, I feel bad for my kids, I guess I am a little selfish in that sense, its tough to do it alone, especally when you are a man. Again, I never claimed to be the perfect person, I'm not, but I do believe that I am honest, even about myself. AMY, you asked why I still lurk. I feel that I have a lot to learn about people and relationships, you people help me do that with your situations and your insight, yours included AMY. I do have a great respect and admiration for your will to restore what was lost, I truly do admire you. I don;t look upon anyone here in a negative light, I hate the fact that everyone here has gone through such terrible tragedy in thier lives. I think its probably the most painfull thing anyone can go through. AMY, you also said I was a quitter by my own admission. Again, you are right if you measure that quality of someone who files for a divorce, but do remember this about me. My XW begged for children throughout our marriage, she couldn't concieve, my sister died of a drug overdose, I fought her H in the courts and got them, both children have a serious life threatening illness that requires a lot of medical care, she left me with them, instead of me giving them to someone else and making life a lot easier for myself, I choose to keep them and raise them as a single father working a job that takes up about 60 or more hours a week, and with very little outside help from my family. AMY, never believe that I am a quitter in life or don't stand up for what is right, I am a winner in many ways! Again, if I hurt feelings or offended someone, I am sorry.