I don't think it is pushing when you have a different POV. I think it is pushing when another declines to argue, and you continue to hammer away.
You seem to like this point. When have I push a point when someone actually declined to argue? Give me an example. Just how often does this occur, or are you stuck on one incident somewhere?
I'm glad YOU know what bothers me, and you are here to tell me what **I** feel.
OK, so what bothers you? Here's a question - is it your hatred (or something to that effect, which you stated when you defended me some time back) of seeing someone bully another, that you feel compelled to stand up for the underdog? Like I said, a while back you reluctantly defended me. Now you appear to me to be defending Nop. Tomorrow maybe someone else.
I believe my point was rather succinct. I will repeat it again. I don't think it is pushing when you have a different POV. I think it is pushing when another declines to argue, and you continue to hammer away. I don't see where there is a need for validation in that, either.
This does not speak to what bothers you:
There you go again, telling ME how **I** feel, what MY intentions are.
Where did I say I knew how you feel? I said “I know that you know what I meant.” How you feel about that is something else.
I do believe in the beginning of this convo, that I said two POVs can be true at the same time. Doens't mean you have to agree.
So what’s your point? I thought I stated the same?
If you fail to understand what it is you think I am trying to communicate, please tell me and I will try to phrase in another way.
Since you aren’t being so cryptic, I understand what you are trying to say. I still don’t see how much relevance this has other than I get under your skin, probably for some FOO reason. I still think this is all about validation and its my GD POV that it pisses you off because you feel I don’t give it enough.
I promise, I don't need you to validate me. LOL. Yes, I am talking about your persistance in trying to bait NOP (and Blackfoot, too). You have made it clear you don't see yourself as baiting. I was trying to point out to you, as were others, several times, where this is not appearing to be the case. {shrug} You don't think so. You've made that abundantly clear.
Did I get annoyed with you? Absolutely. But I promise you, I am over it. Let's drop it.
Yes, I am talking about your persistance in trying to bait NOP (and Blackfoot, too). You have made it clear you don't see yourself as baiting.
I purposefully asked Blackfoot about his feelings regarding his ex, after I had asked him about similar topics a little while back. I was pushing that point because I do see a situation similar to one I experienced long ago. I explained my reasoning. In my case, it took me years to realize what I had lost and by then it was too late. But he said the subject is closed, so I let it go.
Not once have I ever initiated a discussion with Nop about his FOO. Show me where I ever did this. My initial comment was in response to LFL. Nop is the one who took offense to my talking about him. He does not seem to like people “painting” him in a way he does not like. That’s his prerogative. It’s also my prerogative to say what I think. If you call that baiting, so be it. Just know that if I ever have a question to someone or wish to intentionally “bait” him, I always preface my comments by addressing that person by name.
And yes, you annoyed me too, but I am also over it.
"You don't make me laugh anymore" has been my wife's SINGLE BIGGEST COMPLAINT each of the last three confrontations we've had over the past several years!!!
But it's a damned-near-impossible chicken-and-egg, as CeMar points out. She doesn't want to be intimate with you, because you're grouchy and humorless; you're grouchy and humorless because she never wants to be intimate with you.
Having tried both at various times, I can say that while neither is remotely easy, getting yourseslf into a humorous and happy mood is much easier than getting yourself horny.
One side of this vicious cycle is easier to break, and it happens to be your side. You may or may not need medication to make it happen or to make it stick, but it is possible to find humor and happiness in almost any situation. Besides its potential for lifting the spirits of others and enticing them to deal with you, it will make things much more bearable if the person you are hoping to entice proves immune to your charms.
A positive and optimistic outlook is entirely different from denial or suppression. Denial and supression are responses to a belief that you cannot handle or survive some fact or expected outcome and are trying to completely ignore it to keep your sanity. What you want is a clear view of what's going on combined with the attitude that you can, will, and on some level even enjoy the challenge of dealing with whatever comes up. Yes, it's a tricky state of mind to get into and stay in, but it's still easier than making yourself horny when you're just not.
Originally Posted By: chocolateeyes
Personally, if my very future -- and my kids' future -- weren't at stake here, I don't think I could pull of the happy, humorous moments I've managed to drum up the past week, and even then, I'm only succeeding half the time.
They've always been at stake, you just didn't see it. Now you do. Work on that positive mental attitude and keep it up. No matter what happens, it can't hurt and has vast potential to help.
a fine and enviable madness, this delusion that all questions have answers, and nothing is beyond the reach of a strong left arm.
You are the only database type man I know who could bring a supercomputer to its knees with your endless loops of circular logic. Congratulations, you are the winner. And you win, simply because I am now bored with this discussion.
So blast me back, certainly put in the last word to this discussion, but just know beforehand, I'm not going to read it. I tend to prefer conversations that make me think, and ponder, not ones that make me reach for the asprin bottle.
