Hey Jethro! Just got caught up on your thread. WOW! You must have found something deep inside you to go through these R talks as calmly as you are. It seems you two both avoided the R talks for the wrong reasons. Maybe this lag time allowed you to compose your questions and make the talk work. I'm glad your W and you are so open. Are you in pain? This thing would be ripping me up. You are probaly in alot better place with yourself than I am. Your W's 32, mine's 37. You seem to gotten pretty wise through all of this, more than your age lets on. I've noticed that my gray is really starting to come out and the top is thinning becasue of all the stress. I think that you need to find a real good C. Start looking and don't run to the first one you see. I think I've found a good one for the W to see. And it was a rough process. I think you need a teacher to help guide both of you. You both are so drained by this that your doubting as to what the goal is. Find some one to help. Take care. Find a way to recharge.