Not ONE of us have said that what you want is not normal, not one of us....you have twisted our words again. What we have said is..
YOUR APPROACH DOESN'T WORK, YOU FOCUS ON THE WRONG THINGS, YOU AVOID ANSWERING DIRECT QUESTIONS, YOU GIVE A DISTINCT LACK OF INFORMATION AND EXPECT ANSWERS, YOU WANT GUARANTEES BEFORE YOU WILL TRY SOMETHING YOU AVOID ISSUES OF YOUR OWN BY SIMPLY NOT RESPONDING TO POSTERS WHO CHALLENGE YOU YOU TWIST OTHERS WORDS TO FIT YOUR PERCEPTION YOU BLAME YOUR WIFE FOR THE SITUATION YOU ARE IN AND DON'T LOOK TO YOURSELF FOR ANY RESPONSIBILITY YOU WON'T TRY ANYTHING UNTIL YOU KNOW IT WILL WORK (THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES) WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF YOU'VE COMMUNICATED THE PROBLEM TO YOUR WIFE, BECAUSE Y OU DON'T TELL US IF YOU HAVE. MANY OF US HAVE ALSO TOLD YOU TO SEEK OUT COUNSELING, YET YOU NEVER RESPOND TO THAT EITHER.
Those ARE things that have been said to you and about you. Not every poster has said every single thing, but a great many of us have said several of them time, and time, and time again to you. I'm sure others can think of things I didn't put on that list.
You know what CeMar, I get a distinct impression...that you probably are no picnic to live with. Why? Because you are VERY difficult to communicate with. If you don't hear what YOU want to hear you shut someone down by just not responding...do you do that to your W? Just curious. If you do (not saying you do) that in and of itself can be another reason why you aren't making progress in your marriage the way you want to. Feeling shut down by someone would kill my sexual desire for them too...it used to with my XH, and at times earlier in my current marriage it did with my H as well.