She's moving out and says that it's permanent

[Heywyre]

NOP - I don't think 12_51 is being "needy" - he seems to genuinely care about his relationship and sees it going down the toilet

When I say go with what your "heart" tells you, maybe that was a little misleading. What I really mean is your gut, mine is amazing at telling me the right things to do, although sometimes I don't do them and regret later. I have made too many mistakes by listening to other people. Its great to get the advice, don't get me wrong. However the only person that REALLY knows where you are sitting is YOU and that is the only person you have to answer to. You have to listen to all that great advice but only use what actually applies to your particular situation. I have had tons of great advice on these boards but the typical DB techniques just didn't work for me. Once I "altered" them somewhat to accommodate what I thought was a better solution in my sitch, things started moving forward

12_51 is in a bad place right now but I don't think it is over for them. His W wants to meet and talk tomorrow, not showing up is downright rude, to say the least. His "heart" is telling him not to do what the others have told him to do (not show up) and that is because he has some morals and substance - that is what he needs to show his W, not that he is a puppet and listens to brainless people that don't have a clue what he is going through