hopefully there are some guys around here who can give some insight.

The Madonna part:
One reason for the W/M is all of the things many men hear that a man having a sex drive is something he should hold in check so he isn't a pest.

Another reason might be when a guy hears something less than expected (his advance was not received well) he takes it as a no instead of try something different or not right now.

When a guy rally considers what the gal feels/says, then he proceeds with caution for two reasons. Not to be rejected or not wanting to be perceived as doing something wrong. Also as self protection and not to appear inconsiderate of the gal's feelings.

In some cases he is thinking, "better do this right this time or risk making the next time he wants to have sex with her more difficult.”

The Whore part I don't have any first hand experience in that area.

I saw some of what I would consider W behavior. My opinion is, it was mostly selfishness on the guy's part. What ever they did together was for the moment and a F was a F and didn’t mean they would be together in the future or long term.

One of the main problems I see men having concerning the Whore/Madonna Syndrome is men thinking men and women look at sex from two very different views. I think if men would think of women as different but more similar to men, sort of “over-lapping bi-modal model” that would help both sexes move away from the Whore/Madonna problem.

For me, hearing all of the things that can go wrong with a sexual R and all of the taboos associated with premarital sexual R’s, just getting married didn’t erase the picture of what not to do, what women didn’t like.

In my early days of marriage I was pleasantly surprised what my W liked sexually. What I heard as a youngster was wrong. We had our good times. \:\) Sad part is, now that we have been M for a very long time, (what I heard as a youngster and early 20's) it is becoming true. \:\(

Lou