Tough, W and I never actually separated either. She refused to move out of the house, but papers were filed and she was on her way out. She had bought a condo, everything. She had been living in our office/bedroom in the basement. Yes it was terribly painful for both me and our 2 boys (S8 & S3). The oldest knew we were in process of D. W wanted to try to act as if everthing was normal. Wanted to be @ all the meals, travel together for day-to-day requirements, travel together for all of S8 sporting events and out-of-town tourneys. Tore the boys and I up. After 5 months of "separation" and D procedings, W comes to me one day and says she wants to stay. She L me again. We started up the MC again and have been going for last 6 months. The last 4 or 5 wks, things have been "different" and then Thurs. she tells me she wants D. Unfortunately, we're not both committed. I've always wanted to work on things. She didn't. Then said she would. Now doesn't want to. Even when we were in MC she said wasn't completely commited, 7 on a scale of 1-10. Kids don't know about this go around yet, although S8 asked a couple of questions after he saw us talking during his practice last night. Wanted to know if we were talking about adult stuff again and was M upset again.