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#711412 05/08/06 05:11 PM
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she went off on me, asking me what kind of person I thought she was, etc.

So tell her: "W, I think you are an incredible woman who was in incredible pain who was trying her best to be a good person but also to feel better."

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#711413 05/08/06 05:13 PM
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Re the outright denial and your head shouting "LIAR" to you... I sincerely think it is different than the lie of the uncaring WAS who is in a FU mode saying get the F out of my biz with the lies.





Another excellent point, your W is definitely in a different place than that. Her inability or unwillingness to open up comes from an entirely different place and speaks a lot about her feelings for you. Something to keep in mind.


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hink about it, I don't know about you, but in the past, I would respond to her denials by upping the ante and getting defensive and accusatory in my response. Always wanting to be right. If this is you




Yep, this WAS me. I think if I can pull off something OTHER than this "ante upping" then I will show her, and me something.

I am still not 100% sure I am going through with this. I will make it a game-time decision as they say. I am going to be ready but I will not do it if there is some other thing going on that could pre-dispose her to being negative. Most nights it is ok, so hopefully this will be one of those nights.

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In any event, good luck to you. I know you will do the right thing. You'll be in my thoughts tonight.


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Thanks for all the help today. You know, when I got home, I looked at the receipt and discovered that somehow I missed something else important. It was from a store about 25 miles from here in the opposite direction as anything else my W has to do during the day. That means she must have been at OM's before she went there, and more than that, she was driving, which if you follow my sitch, you know she's not supposed to be doing at all, let alone way across town. To me this is important because it shows that she is willing to risk jail time to see this guy. That hurts but I suppose it's not unexpected. I am starting to think I am WAY off in terms of where things stand.

I think I will find out tonight. I think I NEED to find out tonight.

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I have been following your sitch for a long time and I just wanted to offer you my support. I can only imagine the sick feeling you must be experiencing now.

Good luck tonight. I hope it goes well.

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Don't ASSume you are way off in where you think you are... FWIW, I think you have a pretty good understanding of where you are.

Anyway, the trip may have been one of many trips/calls to break things off. And, if she thought she might be pregnant and/or is pregnant, she probably needed to talk to him. As misguided as it may sound, even if she wants nothing to do with him she may have felt it was important to do the test together. Who knows, maybe she had to prove to him that she wasn't pregnant to get him off her back. My point is, you really don't know...

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#711419 05/08/06 10:46 PM
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OT, thank you so much again. That was what I needed to hear. Somehow I get caught in the middle of my own stuff and forget all that I DO understand about this. You're right. I don't KNOW anything. I will go into this with that idea.

About an hour now....

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Just caught up...hoping things are going ok tonight.

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All. I stopped short of having the conversation so far. The reason is that I am not sure if what is on that reciept is a pregnancy test. It rang up as "EQ PREG TEST". I can't seem to find a brand "EQ" out there. Also, it rang up for $3.62 which seems VERY low for a pregnancy test.

Can anyone help me here. Is that a brand? Please, I am stalling but I just want to know if I am calling her on something real here.

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