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brizz,

You might want to read through some of Lim's posts. I think his situation has some similarities to yours.

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Originally Posted By: Gordie
25. “She sarcastically said, “I donated them, fine, OK. Is that what you want to hear?”” Salvation Army?

She's a couponer and does donate extra items occasionally but she didn't even mean for this to be believed when she said it. However, when she last came to the house on 1/10, she said it again but this time it was serious. She had bought into her own BS that it was a plausible excuse.

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26. “I texted my mom to call her mom and tell her about the affair in an effort to get her out of the house.” Don’t suggest using relatives as intermediaries.?

Agreed, was a total last resort since she wouldn't leave and I knew her mom wouldn't listen to me.

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29. “We texted back and forth a bit a week or so later. Randomly she dropped a “If I tell you to stop and you don’t, that’s emotional abuse”… It felt completely like her dropping a breadcrumb of evidence to show her lawyer.” Is she talking about sex? Be very careful about what you say here what you put in writing and conversations can be recorded.

No, not sexual at all. I think she meant criticism, which she's blown out of proportion. We'd exercise together sometimes and I'd tell her she needed to bend her knees more. She's constantly late so I'd try to keep her focused on managing her time better. Things like that. It wasn't anything malicious.

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30. “Current sitch is I’ve gone NC since then and she hasn’t been by the house or called or texted, not even to see or ask about the dog.” Did you read DB or DR? Is that why you went NC?

No, I read about it here and it also just felt like the right thing to do.

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31. “She’s filed a counterpetition for divorce assigning fault in the breakup of the marriage on me.” What was the stated reason of fault? Did you petition on grounds of adultery?

She and I both filed under insupportability assigning fault toward the other. Neither petition detailed the reasons -- it isn't required. My L wanted to file under adultery but I chose not to. I guess I didn't want to be vindictive.

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32. “I’m in IC and have been to a support group. I’m on anti-depressants. I haven’t slept more than 5 hours in almost 2 months.” Good re IC and support group. Why are you on anti-depressants? Sleeplessness? Welcome to the club, but this too can be managed with time and the right tactics (I recommend drug free tactics.

Sleeplessness, low mood, difficulty concentrating, lack of interest in activities.

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34. “I’ve reached out several times to her during all of this and I’m not even the guilty person. I’m just very confused and conflicted.” I think you need to stop focusing on who is the guilty person. Yes, she committed adultery, but you pointing that out to her and saying it is her fault or wanting her to admit fault and beg for forgiveness—that isn’t going to happen, so stop hoping for it. What are your goals and how can the people here help you?

I know. I haven't directly said those things much. Mostly focused on the relationship and just trying to understand how we are at this point. My ultimate goal would be to get back the woman I knew for 14 years. Realistically, just looking for support and wisdom.


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I've filed but I'm open to discussing R if she comes out of the fog, reaches out, and is genuinely remorseful. I'm just not sure that will happen because her denial of responsibility for her actions isn't new but rather something that's always been a part of her. She's fueled by hate towards me now and changing that would involve admitting she messed up. I guess I'm just looking for support and advice from others who have gone through the same thing.

Thats fair. But why did you file? What was your intention?

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I haven't read DR but definitely would if we were still in contact. Does it apply to my situation? I've not seen my W since 1/10 and last texted 1/15 so there aren't really situations to apply anything towards her. The NC has been tough. We'd text during the day and talk in the evenings and it's hard to not have that.

I dont think being in contact has anything to do with this. Honestly, you talk a lot about the shortcomings of your wife, but I dont see much as to your own contributions to the downfall of your marriage in your postings. Without learning how to improve your relationships, why would you expect your next one to end differently? Honestly, I think EVERYONE should read Divorce Remedy.

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For GAL.. I'm exercising, reading, and going out to lunch/dinner with friends and family. I'm looking into signing up for a kickball team. But I'm also spending a lot of time just laying on the couch depressed.

For me, the best thing I did was to join some new things. Sure, friends and family time is important. But I found that it let me dwell on my situation. I went out and met new people that knew nothing of my ex or my situation. That freed me to be the person I wanted to be and really helped me get out of the 'funk' and maintain my PMA.

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It seems to me the most important question right now is, Do you want to divorce?

I would think long and hard about that. Don't think in terms of what message you want to send your wife. How angry and hurt you are. Think in terms of what YOU want. Look at who your wife has been all these years. Think about how you want to live the next 40 years of your life. Do you want to try to save the marriage with your wife?

If you do, I'd cancel the divorce petition, and hunker down for the long road of divorce busting. It's going to be months, if not years. A marathon, with very low likelihood you'll save your marriage. But most likely you will come out as a better person, even if a divorced person.


That's tough to answer. I very much don't want to divorce the woman I was with for 14 years. Every vision of my future was with that person. The current version of her is a totally different person.

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place because she didn't want to work on the marriage before and certainly not now. In December she didn't want to file for divorce herself but she made it clear she didn't think she'd change her mind towards me. Cake eating, I guess. So given she has a petition against me now, I think cancelling mine would do more harm than good. The ball is really in her court now.


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So given she has a petition against me now, I think cancelling mine would do more harm than good. The ball is really in her court now.


If she already has one against you, then why cancel yours? Just let it go - will all end up in the same place, anyway.


There are moments in this life when you are so confident in the rightness of your actions, that not even for a second do you consider the option that you might be wrong.
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Originally Posted By: brizz
I've filed but I'm open to discussing R if she comes out of the fog, reaches out, and is genuinely remorseful. I'm just not sure that will happen because her denial of responsibility for her actions isn't new but rather something that's always been a part of her. She's fueled by hate towards me now and changing that would involve admitting she messed up. I guess I'm just looking for support and advice from others who have gone through the same thing.

Thats fair. But why did you file? What was your intention?

Immediate reaction to being treated like garbage for almost a month, demonized to anyone she talked to, and cheated on. Finding out about the level of the A on top of everything else that had been going on was a huge blow. Reflecting on things and reading this forum has softened my stance on R if she comes out of the fog.

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Originally Posted By: brizz
I haven't read DR but definitely would if we were still in contact. Does it apply to my situation? I've not seen my W since 1/10 and last texted 1/15 so there aren't really situations to apply anything towards her. The NC has been tough. We'd text during the day and talk in the evenings and it's hard to not have that.

I dont think being in contact has anything to do with this. Honestly, you talk a lot about the shortcomings of your wife, but I dont see much as to your own contributions to the downfall of your marriage in your postings. Without learning how to improve your relationships, why would you expect your next one to end differently? Honestly, I think EVERYONE should read Divorce Remedy.

I'm definitely aware of my shortcomings and have detailed them to her. Not communicating on the bigger issues, not speaking her love language, needing to let the small things go. The usual stuff most people are guilty of in a relationship. I'll be picking up a copy of DR.

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Originally Posted By: brizz
For GAL.. I'm exercising, reading, and going out to lunch/dinner with friends and family. I'm looking into signing up for a kickball team. But I'm also spending a lot of time just laying on the couch depressed.

For me, the best thing I did was to join some new things. Sure, friends and family time is important. But I found that it let me dwell on my situation. I went out and met new people that knew nothing of my ex or my situation. That freed me to be the person I wanted to be and really helped me get out of the 'funk' and maintain my PMA.

Good advice and definitely something I'm looking into doing.


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I'm definitely aware of my shortcomings and have detailed them to her. Not communicating on the bigger issues, not speaking her love language, needing to let the small things go. The usual stuff most people are guilty of in a relationship. I'll be picking up a copy of DR.

The problem is that you arent going to repair anything through your words. Now is your time for actions. What will you do in yourself to make consistent change? Telling her youre 'going to change' is not really useful. Im sure youve done that many times before. But changing for her is not lasting. Plus, it will be seen as 'too little, too late'. So, now is a time to make improvements to yourself. How will you improve your listening skills? How about your ability to validate? Patience? Communication? etc

Instead of focusing on her and the D...focus on this stuff in your life.

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I'm definitely aware of my shortcomings and have detailed them to her. Not communicating on the bigger issues, not speaking her love language, needing to let the small things go. The usual stuff most people are guilty of in a relationship. I'll be picking up a copy of DR.

The problem is that you arent going to repair anything through your words. Now is your time for actions. What will you do in yourself to make consistent change? Telling her youre 'going to change' is not really useful. Im sure youve done that many times before. But changing for her is not lasting. Plus, it will be seen as 'too little, too late'. So, now is a time to make improvements to yourself. How will you improve your listening skills? How about your ability to validate? Patience? Communication? etc

Instead of focusing on her and the D...focus on this stuff in your life.


I am going to work on improving myself. For me. The problem is I was already attentive, already was an engaged listener, already was affectionate, already helped out plenty around the house. But I do know there is always room for improvement. Communication on feelings and goals, the big issues, is something we both lacked and I need to work on. The talk we had on 12/10 was the first time things ever really came out into the open and at that point her motivation wasn't to fix things but to use those issues as an excuse to get out of the M without guilt over what was an EA at the time. Another big issue is my W doesn't think she has any problems, thinks she is perfect and projects everything onto me. But she and what she thinks is outside my circle of control. I can't worry about that or change it. I can only control myself and whatever happens, happens.


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So what are your big goals in life? What do you dream about (outside of M)? What is the meaning of life? Is there a God? You don't have to answer here, but it seems like one of your issues is knowing what you think about the big issues, being in touch with them, and being able to share them with others. Outside of M, it seems like the best place to share these things is in some some of religious or non religious community where people discuss these things. Is there a venue in your life for this to happen? A best friend with whom you share your interior life (not your W)?


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2016 BD W fantasy affair w OM1 I do everything wrong
2017 I start to DB W says TLTL files for D PA w OM2
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Originally Posted By: brizz
The problem is I was already attentive, already was an engaged listener, already was affectionate, already helped out plenty around the house.


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Another big issue is my W doesn't think she has any problems, thinks she is perfect and projects everything onto me.


Hmmmmmmmmmm......

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