25 thank u for blaming the iPhone. Yes it's not me cause I perfect. Think the batteries are low and the spelling thing and grammar thing don't work. Lol
M 53 D 20 Separated 6/22/11 moved out 10/24 Together 26 yrs Married 16 W Filed for D 7/21/11 Served 9/6/11 D final 8/28/12
“Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be.”
Wow! nice to get a flood of encouragement after waiting for this to go through moderation. I have read DR and a lot about relationships in general, since this started. I didn't relize how much I didn't know in this area.
Originally Posted By: Crimson
What were your XW's complaints?
I have had a hard time piecing this together, since she wanted no communication after deciding to leave. The main issue is that she feels she can't trust me to be there for her. She had an injury from a fall awhile ago, and while she recovered I was not supportive. In addition, I've put too much emphasis on my career, and she felt neglected. When I hit a particuarly stressful time, and we started arguing, I lashed out by saying I didn't want to continue working on the relationship. That was the straw that broke the camel's back for her.
H: 38 xW: 38 M: 16 T: 18 S: 9 BD: 2/2012 W moved out 4/2012 D: 11/2012
WHY did you leave her? How did she handle it, then?
I told her I was finished, because I was tired of how little progress we had made in bing able to get along. We'd been having an increasingly rocky relationship since around 2010, and in 2011 she had considered moving out, before we started going to marriage counseling.
She responded by avoiding me and making plans to move out.
Have you truly owned up to the damage that did to HER? How so?
Well, I have owned up to it, myself. I began going to IC last April, and this was when I really realized how deeply I had regretted giving up. I began working on my poor behavior. At this point I tried to talk to her and asked her not to move out. She did not want to discuss it. I tried to respect her decision to take this path while still convey to her that I was interested in talking about it. I've apologized for this at several points last year.
How have YOU CHANGED? I don't mean you now want something different, now, but how are you a better/different h than before?
How can she know you won't "feel differently" about the marriage again, and want out?
I do realize now that I was often self-centered and demanding in our relationship. I am working on that mindset. In any of our interactions since realizing this I have tried to convey that I value her time and input. I have taken over more parenting responsibilities and offer to help with these as one sign that I care.
I don't know how she can know I won't change my mind again. This really bothers me. I am just trying to be consistent right now so that I don't further trigger that worry.
I still hold hope for reconciliation. I've begun DB phone calls, and they've helped me stay positive and not apply pressure to her, things I want to do, but have difficulty with. Such as what? What are your 180s?
I make an effort to not bother her with parenting problems, but share with her any enjoyment I can regarding our son. I try to minimize the intrusion of my career into our co-parenting responsibilities to show that I value her time.
I am not trying to ignore the pain she must have had to endure to reach this decision. I characterized her as a WAW only because the last part of our M breakdown played out that way. I do not feel the victim here.
I think it would be dishonest to say that this was all my fault, but my poor behavior played a major role in the M falling apart. And, as well, it was my inability to have compassion for her shortcomings (withdrawing if she was angry, being overly needy at times) that speeded the final result. I am still learning about what makes a good relationship.
Thanks for your thoughts and interest.
H: 38 xW: 38 M: 16 T: 18 S: 9 BD: 2/2012 W moved out 4/2012 D: 11/2012
Your definitely not alone....in fact I am in the same situation (minor differences aside)with having the unknown always telling me to try to reach out.....Honestly, listen to the DB' counselors, reread the book, get more information on as much as you can, and listen to those that are kind enough to share their experiences and advice here on these threads. It will take you a bit, but it will be well worth it! The number 1 thing you will find is that a better, more improve, educated, stronger you always looks better than what you (she) left behind. Plus the skill sets you are now discovering with help to circumvent future setbacks!
As for to the statistics....I agree, don't get too hung up on them, but the one thing I did find was that of those people that remarry, a second or third time, they stand a ball park 60-64% chance of failure with their 2nd, and 70-74% chance of failure with their 3rd marriages. But, of those couples who remarry an ex-spouse, and that population number is hard to find, but estimates have it around 10-15%, The success of that marriage to ex-spouses is in the 74% ranges, based primarily on all that was worked on and out by the individuals before they rejoin each other to reconcile.
Hang in there....stick to the process and allow it to work for you as you work on yourself. Relax, Breathe Deep...you have time on your side, use it to your advantage!
M 52 W 40 D 15 (step) S 12 (step) Married 7, together almost 8 Separated 1 year before bomb from her "I love you, I'm just..." BD final 8/22/12
Thanks, JJ. You, and others, are right that I shouldn't be too focused on the statistics. Just knowing them, though, helps ground me. I'm okay if I learn it's rare to remarry. The couple rough odds quoted are actually encouraging. It suggests that it's somewhat uncommon, but can happen. I know I still want a reconciliation, so this helps with the path forward.
But you're also right that working on me is something I need to continue with, independent of the path. I have been settling into a new routine and developing positive and constructive outlooks. It's a struggle.
H: 38 xW: 38 M: 16 T: 18 S: 9 BD: 2/2012 W moved out 4/2012 D: 11/2012
Journaling: Have been working with my DB coach to develop friendly and positive interactions with W over last month or so. We had a great interaction with our S's science project, joking around as a family and enjoying one another's company. The following weekend, I invited her along to the zoo with S and I. She declined but was very polite about it.
Since then, I've noticed a pulling away from her. She hasn't contacted me about practical details of parenting. I tried to talk to her about choosing S's school for next year. She wanted only to know what decision I had made.
So, perhaps she is reacting to my efforts to be more friendly toward her. One of the things she told me about her parent's divorce when we were together, was that she was bothered by how her dad always wanted to act as if her and her mom were good friends. I fear that she think I am trying to whitewash the past by acting friendly toward her.
H: 38 xW: 38 M: 16 T: 18 S: 9 BD: 2/2012 W moved out 4/2012 D: 11/2012
Okay, so here's a question for anyone whose been following my sitch. My W has been acting cold toward any attempts on my part to be more friendly. I'm okay with that. She does not trust me, and my history of being hot and cold with her will take awhile to walk back from.
So, there is a mutual friend in town,and I am throwing a party so our friends can all get together with him. I didn't invite her. This was hard for me to do. I wanted to invite her, but felt she would see that as using our mutual friend as an excuse to see her (manipulating and pursuing). By not inviting her, though, I risk making her feel like I am trying to exclude her from our common community of friends.
Was this the right choice?
H: 38 xW: 38 M: 16 T: 18 S: 9 BD: 2/2012 W moved out 4/2012 D: 11/2012
Thanks, longrun. It seems obvious in hindsight, but that was hard to go through with.
She dropped our S off today, and seemed to not want to talk. I brought up a couple of practical issues relating to S's schedule, and it seemed to help ease her into an interaction. She just seems to be so distrustful and cold toward me that I'm having a hard time visualizing this changing anytime soon. My coach is suggesting positive co-parent centered interactions, so I guess I should try to brainstorm possibilities in this area. I feel like she is acutely sensitive to me trying something like this, and attributing it to tactics to get her back. I certainly don't want her to feel pressured to interact with me.
H: 38 xW: 38 M: 16 T: 18 S: 9 BD: 2/2012 W moved out 4/2012 D: 11/2012
My W also conjured up all kinds of negatives in the beginning. The WAS are collecting reasons for validating the break-up so that they feel better with their decision. This is only a temporary stage lasting some weeks or months. Stay calm and friendly towards her, let her be, eventually I bet the interaction will become smoother again. Easier said than done, I know.