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Originally Posted By: labug
I don't think he's handling it right and obviously I don't want a D but I am starting to suffer so much that it's not healthy for me to be in this situation any more.

We can't ever be sure of things we read here on the boards because we get a skewed perspective but I would guess that your suffering has little to do with the marriage. Yes, it's a factor but you seem to have a lot more going on that you need to work on. Breakdown is giving great advice and you will carry this to your next R if you don't figure it out now.

Stop focusing on your H so much and turn that back on you.

Who are you? Why are you so unhappy? Answer that question without the words H or M or R.

Who do you want to be?



Great questions. whistle whistle


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LA, these are great issues to explore with your IC. I think I tended to say I'm either happy or unhappy based on my M, but after starting Codependent No More, I'm figuring out I'm unhappy because of what I have done to myself. Time to get my own identity back. Have you looked at that book? I can't remember if you have or not.


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We are on the way back from our Yosemite weekend! We had a great time and it was nice to be out of the house and being in beautiful nature with my boys and my mom.

Labug, I thought about your questions a lot over the weekend. I am writing this from the phone now so will get to those later tonight. I have a feeling I'm coming home to something awful though. I dreamt H had slept wih someone else last night.

He did pack the car for us again before we left on Friday, and I told him how much I appreciated it. I could see the hurt in his eyes when we left. We both had hurt in our eyes. I called him Friday when we arrived and haven't heard from him in 3 days. He didn't even call to talk to the boys, which is not like him at all.


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Originally Posted By: RegretfulLA
I have a feeling I'm coming home to something awful though. I dreamt H had slept wih someone else last night.


Stay positive, stay happy and upbeat, and don't let those negative thoughts take over!


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I missed you while you were gone, LA. Right now, I'm not the one to say stay positive, but try. Don't start being like me and make a bunch of assumptions.

There have been times my H has been gone and he hasn't called D, who he says is the most important thing in his life, and I've done the "who's he with" stuff in my brain. It is very destructive and then you can become paranoid about positive interactions with other women, when you're feeling like crap.


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Missed you guys too. I made a promise to myself not to obsess and try to relax and just enjoy myself.

Now we are at soccer practice. I approached him with S6 and we chatted for about 5 min about our trip. It beats the silent treatment.

I also have to say he got his hair cut over the weekend and he's looking good. I complimented him on the cut.

This weekend we have a party at the neighbor's... Hoping we can somehow work out a way to both go. We're so good at ignoring each other I can't see how it will be a problem.


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I'm so glad you had a great time at Yosemite! Breathing some fresh air with spectacular views! Breathtaking!!

And I'm glad you guys aren't playing the silent treatment at games!!


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Tonight's update:

After soccer practice, we had to go to "Back to School Night" at school. Our school community is very small and close knit. We all know each other - well. Many of our friends know our sitch, some don't. It's hard not to have things be awkward since it's such an intimate community. I just really missed my husband tonight even though he was sitting 3 feet from me.

When we got home, we had to discuss this weekend party (hosted by some close school friends). I got some good counsel from my dad. It's pretty much expected that H would say "I don't care if you go, I'm not going if you are." Dad counseled me to dig in and get him to say what he really wanted, which was, "Neither of us should go." He didn't feel comfortable going with me and didn't think it was fair that one of us would go and have to bring a friend (it's a games party for couples). Anyway, I agreed that we could just both cancel, even though I'm disappointed.

Anyway, that conversation got us to talking more... we have an all-school campout coming up in Oct - we agreed on 2 cars and 2 tents but one campsite. We actually did this same arrangement last year for purely logistical reasons so I was very happy to hear him say that. Status quo kind of.

Then we talked more... I was trying to be really honest with him about my fears and everything I have been thinking about over the last few weeks and months. In the past I haven't felt comfortable really sharing with him or being vulnerable nor has he with me. Big issues...

Labug asked me why I have been so unhappy. I thought about that a lot over the weekend. Of course there are many reasons. I did feel pretty happy about things until 2008 or so. My career was going well, we had 2 kids, things were on the upswing. Gradually though I felt more and more disconnected from my H. I know I was supposed to answer that without H, M or R, but H did withdraw at that point which got the ball rolling.

2009 was OM 1 - personal turmoil about that... 2010 was pretty calm, but in 2011 we bought this house and my job started to seriously $uck. I started to feel very worthless at work and H's resentment towards me and sometimes outright punishment reinforced that feeling.

I decided to quit my job but inside was very scared about that transition. I had been there for so many years and was leaving friends and had nothing lined up... felt I wasn't "good enough" to find another job. Not to brag but I have undergrad and graduate degrees from top schools, and I have worked at some very prestigious companies. So this was clearly my own insecurities coming into play.

We were majorly in debt with this house now - and had no more money to furnish or finish. And quitting my job was adding to the stress about money. H was trying to start a new business but that was months away. So I didn't feel settled here at all, which very much added to my agitation.

H and I had been in a vicious cycle of anger, withdrawal, and resentment for years, and all of this stress just exacerbated it. I was so resentful of H for not understanding me, not being nicer, not loving me more or in the way I needed it... for not being my "safe place to fall". I wanted so much to feel safe with H.

As I'm free-falling now OM2 comes calling... I latch on to him as I'm going down. Part of my deal with him is that I actually made him "validate" me, which is so needy and gross I can hardly bear to write it, but it is the truth. I was not getting this type of validation (WOA) at home and I really, really, really needed it. To make things worse, I was not really attracted to OM2, didn't find him particularly interesting and thought he was "beneath my station." I was totally using him to nurture my insecurities and also to "get back at" my H. Kind of a combo crack pipe/voodoo doll.

So this is pretty much what I told my H. Maybe with some of these details of OM2 left off, but I wasn't trying to hide anything from him. The main point that I was trying to get across is that H and I can't communicate, and that we need to fix it. I was afraid to share my feelings, and I didn't feel safe.

H said that he and I weren't "friends" anymore. He is right about that. We did mean things to each other and didn't respect each other and didn't treat each other nicely and didn't put the other first and all of those things... I owned it all with him. He did bust his a$$ earning money and putting this house together and making dinner and being the primary parent while I was out of the house working at a miserable job. And I didn't appreciate him.

I think, though, that I finally reached a place with him where I was able to convince him that it's worth another try. He asked what "try" meant. I told him that it meant really working as hard as I could on our communication and our marriage. He said he was skeptical that we could ever put things right again, that I could ever change enough. I said I was skeptical too. A lot has to be fixed. It took us a long time to get here and it will take a long time to get back. He says I am very difficult to communicate with, on top of selfish, not to mention malicious. He is not out of line in saying this. Many mistakes have been made.

But he let me rub his back while I talked to him, and we talked a little about LL. I told him mine were WOA and QT, and I said his was touch. He agreed, so I said when he lets me touch him he receives love from me. I told him I really needed more WOA and I told him he needs to tell me what he wants. He has a habit of saying "whatever" instead of expressing his needs, then when I don't meet his needs he gets upset.

The trust issue will still be huge, which I understand. I am going to have to work extra hard on that one. H is very sensitive.

All in all, I see that we've made some breakthroughs... I am hoping that we can start doing some family things together. I want desperately to feel less disconnected from him. It is so ironic that now we are communicating more honestly and intimately than we have in a long time, but it is good work. Yes, it's still very fragile but I am so hoping he can find it in him to try...


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Wow- it sounds like real progress is being made. Be careful here not to go too fast. I wish I had more insight. The trust issue is huge. I can tell you from experience that it is very hard to get over. You might discuss things that are important to him for re establish trust. For instance, with myself, mine is when my husband was late and didn't call. It just bothered me. So he might have similar situations that will start his mind wandering.




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Wow, sounds really good LA. Did you manage to get that apology in there this time?

I agree with MKB in terms of careful of the speed. It's easy to get excited and push too hard, and chase them back to their hole. Keep DBing!

The communication is huge, as is the trust. You know he's got his own issues, so when he reverts to old habits (and trust me, you both with do this over and over), stand your ground (calmly). Do not let him criticize you, put you down, etc.

If things keep going in this direction, I think retrouvaille would be well worth looking into.


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