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#218065 12/29/03 04:26 AM
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What is that you see, Talitsa? What is your fear?


"You don't throw a whole life away just 'cause it's banged up a little" Tom Smith in "Seabiscuit"
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Did I think about HER watching all those diamond commercials before Christmas? Yes, his last gift to her was a diamond ring )...




We have this hilarious comedy CD by Ron White. In it, he talks about how the diamond ads are gradually becoming more honest. First it was "Diamonds are Forever"; then it was "Diamonds take her breath away"; now it's "Diamonds - render her speechless" - why don't they just come right out and say it - "Diamonds - that'll shut her up!"

And Tal - eventually you will find a way to talk through things with Wolfie. Right now it's too recent, he's probably not fully recovered from his depression, and still feels too guilty when you bring it up to have a rational discussion. Patience.

Ellie

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Absolutely, Tal...

I've had a feeling about 'ya since you've been posting, I've long suspected that your "intuition" was more developed than you let on.

Although my training is in psychology, I've always had a much wider world/spiritual view. I've witnessed unexplainable acts of premonition...in the form of dreams that CJ had.

For a time, Tal, I don't know what the magnetism of the earth was doing..it was late fall early winter 1995, but CJ began to mumble and then speak out in his dreams.

I gradually began to communicate with a dissociated part of him that was watching the dream action....I could seriously write a novel here...but the point is I'VE seen this stuff!

I was THRILLED when John Edward (amazing man who talks to folks who've passed over...I've seen the money grubbing fakers with the ear peices...that's not him..have you ever caught his show?) signed on to be scientifically tested...measured brain waves and such to demonstrate telepathy. Just that made my heart leap...that he was that sure of his gift.

He also speaks of it as being a burden at times, and it must take a lot of energy.

Tal, I'm fascinated by this stuff. I have great respect for it people with gifts, but great disdain for the fakers.

Funny Tal, that you mentioned that whole scene in the bar after bomb #1...where the Indian woman was all over CJ.

What do you make of that? Were we meant to hook up here, right then...?

For healing for me? I wasn't really mad at HER, it was CJ's actions!


Hey! brain flash...Handsome older Native man in my class invited me (and CJ!) to a drumming circle pow pow on New Year's eve...I thought that was so sweet of him, actually I was honoured.

I get the sense from the conversations we've had that he appreciates my "wider view" on things. We cannot go, alas, there are two other parties to hit...but it would have been COOL.

TAL I, too have had BIG DREAMS that seem to have that special quality...

And my best old pal MJ who is 1/4 Ojibwe has been telling me all her life about dreams she has of people who've just died.

As in their names are in the next day's paper. Or sometimes its after the death and the person, usually someone who is really not that closely connected to her will show up in a dream...one of those "I'm all right" types of dreams.

She's afraid of anything supernatural and such, I wish she would embrace and discover!

So what was this dream about, Tal?

Come ON!!!!

Shiny

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Another intriguing topic (lucid dreams, enhanched intuition, etc.)

Let me just squeeze uninvited like into your conversation here.
Pushy Broad.

Although I am primarily of French decent, I do have native blood from both sides of my family. My mom's tribal blood came from the MicMacs, and my father's...well, I'm still trying to find that out.

By the way, my H is part Cherokee.

I believe that I have mentioned this in the past, that I too have lucid dreams, premonitions, visions and contact with those who have passed on.

I have spent my life trying to keep 'it' under a cover - so to speak.

My daughter is also 'sensitive' and she too is doing her best to 'let it sleep'.

I am not religious, in fact, I might be considered a 'hardcore skeptic' to the mainstream.

I view myself as 'spiritual' with the froufrous shaved off.

So ladies, I don't think you're weird at all!


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I too have always believed that some people havve these gifts.
I don't, but I do have horrible dreams, and I wonder sometimes if they are a premonition.
Tal, you can talk about these things to us. Actually. you can give us insight that could be very useful.
I'm facinated by such things........Rachael


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Shiny -
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was THRILLED when John Edward (amazing man who talks to folks who've passed over...I've seen the money grubbing fakers with the ear peices...that's not him..have you ever caught his show?) signed on to be scientifically tested...measured brain waves and such to demonstrate telepathy. Just that made my heart leap...that he was that sure of his gift.




I've seen a couple of people do what J.E. does. I'm really a sceptic and kept trying to figure out how it could be faked - but it was completely real, I'm sure.

The last time, I went with a girlfriend to a book signing, and the woman started to do a brief reading with the small group (30 people) who were there.

My girlfriend had recently lost her father to cancer. The woman read one other family first, then looked towards our corner of the room and said my friend's father's name (okay, not an unusual name, but she used the full, formal name, which is what he went by, not the more common short form). My friend raised her hand and the woman went on to state that my friend had a son. (Okay, could be a lucky guess BUT she didn't say children she said A son - my friend is in her forties and had just had her only child a few months before her father's death - he was the only grandson).

She then mentioned that her father said to tell her that he had his teeth! Well, when he was in his final hospitalization, his false teeth wouldn't fit anymore and he couldn't wear them and it was a big problem feeding him. It really distressed my friend because she had never seen him without his teeth.

She then mentioned that he was with her mother - well her mother died when my friend was a child.

The only thing she said that we couldn't make sense of was something about a train - we thought maybe it had something to do with an accident she had passed near a train track on the way there, but it seemed like a stretch since it wasn't a big accident. But the woman definitely saw trains. Oddly enough, just this weekend I had a flash about this. It's now 2 years later, and my friend's little boy is OBSESSED with trains, the way my son was with dinosaurs. All his toys are trains, he loves to ride on trains, he talks about them all the time Coincidence?

BTW - for the fellow sceptics out there - NONE of the things the psychic mentioned were discussed by my friend and I at any time that evening before the psychic reading. There would have been no way to pick any of it up from a hidden microphone. There were no "wrong guesses" in between the "hits". And although I'll agree, her father's name and the existence of a son could have been lucky guesses - the thing with the teeth was so specific! I believe.

Ellie

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It is pretty amazing-what you said about your friend.
I've never met someone with those kinds of gifts, but I've heard about them.
I'm NOT a skeptic about it anymore.

I'd like to hear more about it Tal......Rachael


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Talitsa,

I don't think you're crazy at all... and if you are, I'm jumping in your pool.

My sister and I also possess the same "gift". Our Celtic ancestry is also full of myth and lore, much like your Native American roots.

I have had some incredible "conversations" with dear relatives who have passed on, as well as other angelic types. I consider myself to have a pretty good handle on that aspect of my life, but periodically I need the help of someone whose gift is far more developed.

I consult him periodically to get a temperature check on how I'm doing. "They" in the spirit world cannot give me feedback about my H (free will always prevents this), but they do give me insight into my own thoughts and actions.

I've discovered that what he told me a year ago and up to now has been dead on accurate.

So chalk me up as a partner in crime.

Ellie, the reason they mention such trivial things such as teeth and trains are so that you truly know it is them who is talking to you. They give you something that they believe will trigger you into recognition.

Before my grandma died, we made an agreement to speak now and again. She told me that she would find a way that I would recognize. It took me several years to understand when she needed to tell me something... she would kill my TV sets (including the one in my car).

After getting our bedroom TV set repaired for the 3rd time, Mr. Wonderful (also the skeptic) told me to ask her to find a less expensive way of contacting me! I did, and from that point forward, she has just killed the lightbulbs.

Instead of getting mad, I just tell her, "Okay, I know you need to say something. Come visit me tonight after my prayers and I will listen."

Ellie, I can promise you with all my heart that the guidance she has given me (along with my other kooky relatives) has been invaluable.

Last Memorial Day weekend, my H went on a drinking binge--he at least recognized that he was in no shape to take care of our girls--apologized for it and made arrangements with me to take over.

I was furious, to say the least. That night I went to bed, much in the mind to call it quits and file for D. I was just getting out of my crazymaking fog and decided to ask for help instead.

My grandma showed up and told me to be quiet and listen to what the other voice had to say. I believe it to be God with all my heart and soul. He told me that things couldn't be done my way and in my timeframe. He also told me that my incessant need to do things my way was getting in HIS way... and told me that interfering in His work was only putting Him further behind.

I laid there in stunned silence. He told me to go away for awhile and take care of myself and the girls so that He could work on Mr. Wonderful. He added with a chuckle, "And you know that he's stubborn and going to take some work, so plan on making this a long vacation for yourself."

It was that convo that put me in the position to begin detaching. Before then, I just didn't get it. I was a lurker here then, so I had not learned this art yet.

The one thing I've learned is that there is no such thing as a coincidence. They are merely intuition calls--a means for you to go quiet and listen to your inner voice. The voice of reason and the one that reveals the truth.

I have always believed, so this is fairly easy for me now. We are taught through our spiritual and religious teachings that there is life after death. We want to believe, but logic gets in the way. My H has great difficulty with this, but he also wants to believe that there is something better than life on earth.

There is! Why spend so much energy fighting it? Time is ticking away, girlfriend. It's liberating to live your life that way.

BTW, James Van Praagh has some excellent books out there on this very subject. If you are in the mood for a very beautiful book on this subject, read his first one--Talking to Heaven. My skeptical dad read it and said for the first time in his 60+ years, he felt at peace with things. If anything, it helped me understand why we're here and made me totally unafraid of dying.

Have a great week!

Betsey


"There are only 2 ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."

Albert Einstein
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James Van Praagh




This is actually the first guy I ever saw, many years ago.
I was disappointed when his TV show came out and was so cheesy and unconvincing. When I saw him live it was much more believable.

Ellie

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AWESOME underdog!
It's just what I need to hear right now. I need so desperatly to detach and have been afraid to let go of control.

I realize I am just getting in the way of my H coming out of his fog.

I need to pray for patience to get through this as I'm so tired of it all and ready to call it quits even though I love my H very much.

It' SO HARD to take the rejection!

I wish I knew what he wanted! He vacillates back and forth, and I'm going crazy trying to make him love me again.

He says the words, but his actions are what count. They do not show me he is IN LOVE with me. Rachael




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