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If you have reached an impasse in your marriage-saving efforts, you will want to read this three-part series because it will help you diagnose the reasons you might be stuck. Don’t despair, just make sure you read this and the next two parts!

So, why haven’t you seen change in your marriage yet? Let’s take a look at a few possible reasons.

You Haven’t Given a Method Sufficient Time to Work Before Trying Something Else
It is often the case that, if a technique doesn’t yield immediate results, people jump ship too quickly. Although this is completely understandable, it’s unproductive. It’s my experience that you should probably stick with something for at least a couple of weeks unless it is clear that you are getting negative results. Then, of course, you should quit immediately. But don’t let your impatient get in the way of your being systematic about improving your marriage. You need to give things a chance to work.

This is especially true if you and your spouse are separated and you don’t have much contact. In that case, even if the method you’re using is going to be effective, it will definitely take longer to show positive results than it would if the two of you were together. Your spouse simply doesn’t have enough opportunities to witness you changing. So, don’t get discouraged and start trying a little of this and a little of that. If you do, you won’t really get a true reading about the effectiveness of any technique.

The Strategy Chosen Isn’t Different Enough From Your Usual Approach
When people are stuck, I ask them what they’ve tried and they tell me, “I’ve tried everything.” No one has ever tried everything. It only feels that way.

But what people have done, is that they’ve tried many, many variations of the same technique. For example, a woman tried asking her husband nicely to change when that didn’t work, she pleaded, begged, threatened, and cried. Nothing she said ever made a difference. So she decided to take a communication class where she learned how to express herself more effectively. She did well in class and mastered the skills. But when she went home and tried them out on her husband, he still responded the same old way. She felt frustrated and at her wit’s end.

If you asked her, this woman would tell you that she tried everything. But if you look at what she did very carefully, what you’ll notice is that all of her efforts fall under the same general category. Despite the subtle difference in her approach, her husband knew one thing and one thing only. “My wife is constantly harping on me when she talks.” It didn’t matter how she said what she said, or the level of emotion that she said it with- to her husband, words were words.

Although your pet strategy may not be words, I want you to mull over this example and see if you are making the same kind of mistake. When you try something new is it really new or is it merely a variation of thing you’ve tried that hasn’t worked? I have equipped you with a series of helpful techniques for bringing about change with your spouse: Do Something Different, Act As If, Easier Done Than Said, The Medium is In The Message, and Do a 180. Find one that is radically different from what you’ve been doing. Even if it seems a little odd for you to try it out, do it anyway. Give yourself permission to be creative. Ask yourself, “Have I had any zany ideas about what might work but have held myself back from trying them?” What are they?

Don’t hold back a moment longer. Go for it. Remember, when I say, “Do something different,” I mean different.

You’re overlooking the small signs of change
One of the reasons you may not be noting any improvement in your marriage is that you are overlooking the small signs of change. I know how easy this is to do. You want to feel so much closer to your spouse and you’re looking for those blatant telltale signs that your marriage is headed for higher ground. You’re hoping for obvious expressions of love and tenderness. But in your eagerness to feel that your marriage is healed, it’s entirely possible that you have been oblivious to the small positive things that have happened that are really harbingers of things to come. You fail to notice the less obvious, small acts of kindness, which are really the building blocks for what comes next.

If you’ve failed to notice these mini-steps, it’s like missing a street sign when you’re going to a party. You won’t realize that you’ve been going in the right direction and you will feel lost. Without recognizing and appreciating that you’re moving in the right direction, you wont feel encouraged to keep going.

Or perhaps you have noticed a few small things have improved but you’ve told yourself, “No big deal.” In other words, since the changes weren’t monumental, they weren’t worth getting excited about. That kind of attitude will prevent you from moving farther. Every little step is a big deal and you should think about it that way. It will help you keep your stamina up. If you’re guilty of downplaying the significance of small changes, here’s your new mantra: “Little steps are a big deals.” Got that? It’s really important that you slow down and be patient.

Finally, you may have been telling yourself not to get too excited about small steps forward because you don’t want to feel a false sense of hope. If I were in your shoes, I’d probably feel exactly the same way, but it’s unproductive. Allow yourself to notice and feel encouraged by the small signs. You need to feel hope. While it’s true that there are no guarantees about the future, if things don’t work out the way you hope, you’ll deal with it then. For now, think positively. Remember the self-fulfilling prophecy is a very powerful phenomenon.




What have you tried? What are your results? What will you try next?


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I am doing my best to remember that the OW is nothing to me. This is one of the only things that gets me through their phone calls and texts, expecially when we're in the same room. I'm not showing how down I get I'm only showing my friendly, smiling face. I'm acting 'as if' and I'm trying my 180's. I make sure he knows I'm appreciative of his hard work, I wish him good morning and good night. I offer my thanks for his help and I accept his offer of help where before I would refuse based on principle. I have increased my initiation of physical intimacies and have increased the display of passion that I used to hide from him.

I’m working on my GAL. I go out with my friends more often, I spend more time with my daughter. I laugh around him more often and I have changed my hair and have started a work-out regime.

My results vary. He accepts my flirting and he has started flirting with me which leads to physical intimacies. He talks to me more than before (the OW had taken my place as a sounding board), he helps me around the house more. He looks me in the eye when he talks to me. We spend a lot more time together just doing simple things like watching tv together. (He hasn’t moved out although it has been mentioned a time or two. He says he's staying until the house sells because I've been a stay-at-home mom for years and have no income, that he won't leave me in the lurch)

I have no idea what my next move will be but it had better be a good one – the OW seems more in the picture now than before. It seemed to me that their relationship had been fizzling out over the last few weeks but then in the last three/four days she’s been ‘in my face’ with phone calls and text messages. I need something that’s really going to get him turned away from her and back to me. I know he's confused by the changes he sees in me but I just can't figure out that magic button to push to get rid of the OW.

Any suggestions?

Liz



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You have some great positives. Show/keep your confidence. She's pursuing, possibly because she feels threatened by you. That is really good for you, because she may push him right back to your arms.

So definitely don't wait on him hand and foot, but keep those positives going. You are doing a good job!


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Originally Posted By: liz_palmer


I am doing my best to remember that the OW is nothing to me. This is one of the only things that gets me through their phone calls and texts, expecially when we're in the same room.




He calls his OW and text her right in front of you???

You need to learn about setting and enforcing boundaries. You can't force him to end his affair, but you darned sure don't need to have your nose rubbed in it. That's simply direspectful!

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BD 5/07; W's affair 5/07-8/07

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Actually, it's her. She calls and texts him and he takes the calls and responds to the texts - sometimes ALL DAY LONG! Literally. I have seen the phone bill. He' an over the road truck driver and she works at his terminal. So she calls him and texts him while he's on the road to the point where mutual friends have told me she neglects her two young children. (She has 3 kids by 3 different men).

I have told him from the start that I felt disrespected by the amount of contact during our home time and he responds by telling me that she's just a friend.

This morning he says that on vacation (in a week)he's going to make some repairs around the house. My daughter, mother and I are going to PA for a family reunionn that he bowed out of, so he will be home alone for a week. The repairs are on the list of things to be done for the house to be put on the market. So selling is still on his mind.

Yet last night we actually snuggled and slept wrapped in each others arms, which hasn't happened in months.

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If you have reached an impasse in your marriage-saving efforts, you will want to read this three-part series because it will help you diagnose the reasons you might be stuck. Don’t despair, just make sure you read this and the next two parts!

So, why haven’t you seen change in your marriage yet? Let’s take a look at a few possible reasons.

You Haven’t Given a Method Sufficient Time to Work Before Trying Something Else
It is often the case that, if a technique doesn’t yield immediate results, people jump ship too quickly. Although this is completely understandable, it’s unproductive. It’s my experience that you should probably stick with something for at least a couple of weeks unless it is clear that you are getting negative results. Then, of course, you should quit immediately. But don’t let your impatient get in the way of your being systematic about improving your marriage. You need to give things a chance to work.

This is especially true if you and your spouse are separated and you don’t have much contact. In that case, even if the method you’re using is going to be effective, it will definitely take longer to show positive results than it would if the two of you were together. Your spouse simply doesn’t have enough opportunities to witness you changing. So, don’t get discouraged and start trying a little of this and a little of that. If you do, you won’t really get a true reading about the effectiveness of any technique.

The Strategy Chosen Isn’t Different Enough From Your Usual Approach
When people are stuck, I ask them what they’ve tried and they tell me, “I’ve tried everything.” No one has ever tried everything. It only feels that way.

But what people have done, is that they’ve tried many, many variations of the same technique. For example, a woman tried asking her husband nicely to change when that didn’t work, she pleaded, begged, threatened, and cried. Nothing she said ever made a difference. So she decided to take a communication class where she learned how to express herself more effectively. She did well in class and mastered the skills. But when she went home and tried them out on her husband, he still responded the same old way. She felt frustrated and at her wit’s end.

If you asked her, this woman would tell you that she tried everything. But if you look at what she did very carefully, what you’ll notice is that all of her efforts fall under the same general category. Despite the subtle difference in her approach, her husband knew one thing and one thing only. “My wife is constantly harping on me when she talks.” It didn’t matter how she said what she said, or the level of emotion that she said it with- to her husband, words were words.

Although your pet strategy may not be words, I want you to mull over this example and see if you are making the same kind of mistake. When you try something new is it really new or is it merely a variation of thing you’ve tried that hasn’t worked? I have equipped you with a series of helpful techniques for bringing about change with your spouse: Do Something Different, Act As If, Easier Done Than Said, The Medium is In The Message, and Do a 180. Find one that is radically different from what you’ve been doing. Even if it seems a little odd for you to try it out, do it anyway. Give yourself permission to be creative. Ask yourself, “Have I had any zany ideas about what might work but have held myself back from trying them?” What are they?

Don’t hold back a moment longer. Go for it. Remember, when I say, “Do something different,” I mean different.

You’re overlooking the small signs of change
One of the reasons you may not be noting any improvement in your marriage is that you are overlooking the small signs of change. I know how easy this is to do. You want to feel so much closer to your spouse and you’re looking for those blatant telltale signs that your marriage is headed for higher ground. You’re hoping for obvious expressions of love and tenderness. But in your eagerness to feel that your marriage is healed, it’s entirely possible that you have been oblivious to the small positive things that have happened that are really harbingers of things to come. You fail to notice the less obvious, small acts of kindness, which are really the building blocks for what comes next.

If you’ve failed to notice these mini-steps, it’s like missing a street sign when you’re going to a party. You won’t realize that you’ve been going in the right direction and you will feel lost. Without recognizing and appreciating that you’re moving in the right direction, you wont feel encouraged to keep going.

Or perhaps you have noticed a few small things have improved but you’ve told yourself, “No big deal.” In other words, since the changes weren’t monumental, they weren’t worth getting excited about. That kind of attitude will prevent you from moving farther. Every little step is a big deal and you should think about it that way. It will help you keep your stamina up. If you’re guilty of downplaying the significance of small changes, here’s your new mantra: “Little steps are a big deals.” Got that? It’s really important that you slow down and be patient.

Finally, you may have been telling yourself not to get too excited about small steps forward because you don’t want to feel a false sense of hope. If I were in your shoes, I’d probably feel exactly the same way, but it’s unproductive. Allow yourself to notice and feel encouraged by the small signs. You need to feel hope. While it’s true that there are no guarantees about the future, if things don’t work out the way you hope, you’ll deal with it then. For now, think positively. Remember the self-fulfilling prophecy is a very powerful phenomenon.




What have you tried? What are your results? What will you try next?


And sometimes they are just DONE


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And sometimes they are just DONE


Hey 2, who are you talking about here? The spouse?

Yes I will agree that there are some that are just done...

And eventually, we come to accept that if they are...

Personally, I wouldn't have wanted to come to that conclusion until I felt that I had done everything I could and then a little bit more...

Things we should realize, especially when trying to DB...

There are NO guarantees...

Life just doesn't work that way...

Patience is key to anything...

Healing is important....

Boundaries are important, if you are in an emotional place to be able to enforce the boundaries that you set...

That you can set them and have no regrets about the outcome...

Threatening to "move on" when you aren't ready...

Thinking you can coerce, frighten, or wake your spouse up to get them to move in some direction is not a great thing...

Especially since the odds are that they will move in the direction that they are already moving, which is further away from you...

So unless you are ready for that, unless you are ready to live with the consequences of that boundary, you need to NOT set it...

So you try something different...

You look within longer, deeper, harder...

You find more patience...

You live your life and make yourself happy....

You DB...

And I will tell you, years after the end of my M, I still DB...

I still look within...

I still measure what works in every aspect of my life and ask myself the things that Michelle has asked above...

The principals of it, to get unstuck, work in any situation...



"Acceptance doesn't mean resignation. It means understanding that something is what it is and there's got to be a way through it."--Michael J. Fox
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Hey 2, who are you talking about here? The spouse?

yeah the spouse. Sometimes they dig deep and regardless of what you do, they are gone.

Just a simple truth.


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True.

2 things that brings to my mind.

How do you tell the difference? How do you know, isn't it (or you) worthy of your best effort?

And,

Isn't the effort worth it regardless of the outcome?



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