I've been reading a lot of the stories of the men left behind in a marriage. I was wondering do you as LBS men believe that a WAS man is more "done" and less likely to even want to try to restore a relationship? I'm starting to wonder if I even have a snowball's chance.
BITS Me-51, WAS-52 Kids 2 M-26yrs, H.left 2009, 2 more Bomb drops, Reconnection spring 2013 Change is inevitable, personal growth is a choice. Love is a action and choice you make, every day.
I'm starting to wonder if I even have a snowball's chance.
This is why it is so important for you to figure out what you want your life to be.
I don't do anything anymore based on any chance I may or may not have. Setting goals for myself and moving towards them are all I have any control over. It doesn't mean I don't care anymore, it just means H and M are not my focus.
What if you had no chance at all? Would that make any decisions you have to make any easier or less painful?
What if you do have a chance and it requires alot of patience and soul searching on your part?
Nothing is certain. What you do have a chance at is being the best expression of you. Takes alot of work though.
If I had no chance at all, the decisions would be just as painful, but I wouldn't resist divorce and I'd actively start to look elsewhere for love. 10+ years of being ignored, seldom spoken with/to and treated like help have taken it's toll on me.
If I had a chance, I'd take it and I'm doing the soul searching and finding out now what I really stand for what values are important to me.
I'm used to working hard. That's nothing new.
BITS Me-51, WAS-52 Kids 2 M-26yrs, H.left 2009, 2 more Bomb drops, Reconnection spring 2013 Change is inevitable, personal growth is a choice. Love is a action and choice you make, every day.
"If I had no chance at all, the decisions would be just as painful, but I wouldn't resist divorce and I'd actively start to look elsewhere for love. 10+ years of being ignored, seldom spoken with/to and treated like help have taken it's toll on me."
I'm sorry for what you're going through, first of all. But when I read your comment about actively looking for love, coupled with the toll that this has all taken on you, I think of myself a month or more ago. The time frame of my sitch is very similar to yours as you can see in my signature, and for me, at least, I wanted to tell you that a month or more ago I said the same thing as you in my head as far as "If I don't have a chance with him, I'm going to start actively looking."
This is just my opinion, but this feeling is "false" in a way. I think this comes from wanting to be able to shut off the pain in the present by finding someone else to love and respect us, to be affectionate and physical with us, the whole 9 yards. It's understandable why we feel this way, but it's not going to help us right now.
I can tell you that I am lately feeling very much ok that I'm NOT actively looking for someone AND I know that my marriage is entirely over and that there is pretty much no chance of reconciliation--not just because of my x not wanting it, but because frankly, I don't think he's grown up or good enough for me. I think he needs 5 years of therapy and growth and learning how to not need a mother to be "suitable" for me ;-) But in any case, I'm starting to really be "ok" with not having a mate.
A close friend of mine who went through divorce a long time ago said that when we become really comfortable with ourselves that we feel that way (and that usually that's when someone notices us, ironically).
But I guess what I want to say to you is that I really felt a pull there awhile ago to "actively" search for a mate. I made a profile for an online service, but I didn't finalize it. Still haven't. Now I am wondering why I ever thought that in the first place, and I think it was just a way to find a ledge to escape the pain.
But if, as you say, this has all taken a toll on you, the best thing you can do for yourself is to learn to love being "single." Not alone--you're never alone as you have family and friends. But without a mate. Sure there are times it really stinks. But you know what? The past 2 weekends, I've been happier here at my house by myself than I was when my H was with me, I swear. I just feel really empowered.
And this is coming to you in time, as well. (((HUGS)))
M45 Bomb 6/09; EA 6/10; Divorced 1/11 Proud single mom of 7 little feline girls and one little feline boy "Fall down 53 times. Get up 54." -- Zen saying
I believe that since patience is so important to the LBS, there are more examples of the LBS ladies having their MLC husband return than the other way around.
Experience is a brutal teacher, but you learn. My God, do you learn. - C.S. Lewis
Life is usually all about how you handle Plan B. - Jack3Beans
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Scylla, I don't think you can make any generalizations, but in light of what Jack said above, I'm sure my W believes she put up with all she could before walking away. When she did, she gave no consideration to counseling or any thought of restoring the M. So if women are more patient before walking, it could be argued that they are more "done" when leaving.
Originally Posted By: Scylla_Charibdis
If I had a chance, I'd take it and I'm doing the soul searching and finding out now what I really stand for what values are important to me.
I'm not one to throw lumber around, but generally, if you spend more time here ^^^
Originally Posted By: Scylla_Charibdis
I'd actively start to look elsewhere for love.
And less time here ^^^^
Originally Posted By: Scylla_Charibdis
10+ years of being ignored, seldom spoken with/to and treated like help
You might figure out why he did this ^^^^
Then you can make peace with it, forgive yourself, and take your emotionally healthy self into your next R with whomever; spouse (hopefully) or not.
A, your post is inspiring. I'm taking baby steps to get there. Came home last night to an empty house, and it was OK. No falling asleep on the couch, or having the TV on all night.
My friends and D have said I need to find someone else, and sometimes I joke with friends about it. But I'm really not interested at this point. For one thing, I still want to work on R with H. And honestly, I don't think I'm ready for such a thing.
H said this week that one of us needs to file - I'm not going to, so it's up to him. Regardless, I intend to exhibit the patience J3B speaks of. Unfortunately, my H sounds somewhat like CNS' W. He refuses to consider MC, but yet hasn't shut the door completely on R. Funny, he wants to see progress but isn't sure he can agree to try anything!
I did surprise him during the discussion - he couldn't believe how calm I was during his talk of D. And I truly felt that way, too.
"If I had no chance at all, the decisions would be just as painful, but I wouldn't resist divorce and I'd actively start to look elsewhere for love. 10+ years of being ignored, seldom spoken with/to and treated like help have taken it's toll on me."
I'm sorry for what you're going through, first of all. But when I read your comment about actively looking for love, coupled with the toll that this has all taken on you, I think of myself a month or more ago. The time frame of my sitch is very similar to yours as you can see in my signature, and for me, at least, I wanted to tell you that a month or more ago I said the same thing as you in my head as far as "If I don't have a chance with him, I'm going to start actively looking."
This is just my opinion, but this feeling is "false" in a way. I think this comes from wanting to be able to shut off the pain in the present by finding someone else to love and respect us, to be affectionate and physical with us, the whole 9 yards. It's understandable why we feel this way, but it's not going to help us right now.
Perhaps not. I am coming to viewpoint that really I was alone in my marriage for almost this last half of it. I just hadn't realised although he was dancing across from me, he had his own spotlight and I was dancing in the shadows.
I can tell you that I am lately feeling very much ok that I'm NOT actively looking for someone AND I know that my marriage is entirely over and that there is pretty much no chance of reconciliation--not just because of my x not wanting it, but because frankly, I don't think he's grown up or good enough for me. I think he needs 5 years of therapy and growth and learning how to not need a mother to be "suitable" for me ;-) But in any case, I'm starting to really be "ok" with not having a mate.
I am glad for you AntoniaB that you've come to a place of peace with what is, and on your terms. My H too needs help, help he knows about but is not willing to get for himself. Help he sees me getting and wants our children to have, but not for himself. He's alright Jack. I'm the one that's nutz.
A close friend of mine who went through divorce a long time ago said that when we become really comfortable with ourselves that we feel that way (and that usually that's when someone notices us, ironically).
But I guess what I want to say to you is that I really felt a pull there awhile ago to "actively" search for a mate. I made a profile for an online service, but I didn't finalize it. Still haven't. Now I am wondering why I ever thought that in the first place, and I think it was just a way to find a ledge to escape the pain.
I have put my profile up there, had a few people contact me. Let's just say I'm not out there to be just a booty call, and the majority of them...well that's exactly what they're after and little else. It's complicated that's for sure. Guys our age are usually going through their own MLC and have divorced and have children of their own.
But if, as you say, this has all taken a toll on you, the best thing you can do for yourself is to learn to love being "single." Not alone--you're never alone as you have family and friends. But without a mate. Sure there are times it really stinks. But you know what? The past 2 weekends, I've been happier here at my house by myself than I was when my H was with me, I swear. I just feel really empowered. [ color:#6600CC]I've been alone/mateless a long time, as I stated above. Wife in name only really. And there are days I'm mystified as to why I even love this man, or still want him, but I do. I guess the human heart knows no sense.[/color]
And this is coming to you in time, as well. (((HUGS)))
We will see Antonia. I thank you for your perspective in looking backward in what for me is in the future.
BITS Me-51, WAS-52 Kids 2 M-26yrs, H.left 2009, 2 more Bomb drops, Reconnection spring 2013 Change is inevitable, personal growth is a choice. Love is a action and choice you make, every day.
Scylla, I don't think you can make any generalizations, but in light of what Jack said above, I'm sure my W believes she put up with all she could before walking away. When she did, she gave no consideration to counseling or any thought of restoring the M. So if women are more patient before walking, it could be argued that they are more "done" when leaving.
I'm sure my H feels the same way. All indications in his words he did write and say were that he couldn't stand it anymore. Whatever comprised it ( and that was mostly blaming me). I just wondered if gender of the WAS makes a difference here.
Originally Posted By: Scylla_Charibdis
If I had a chance, I'd take it and I'm doing the soul searching and finding out now what I really stand for what values are important to me.
I'm not one to throw lumber around, but generally, if you spend more time here ^^^
I am...a lot. I lie awake nights thinking and praying about it. Journalling about it. I waver back and forth.
Originally Posted By: Scylla_Charibdis
I'd actively start to look elsewhere for love.
And less time here ^^^^ Haven't "actively" looked yet. I am thinking about it though.
Originally Posted By: Scylla_Charibdis
10+ years of being ignored, seldom spoken with/to and treated like help
You might figure out why he did this ^^^^
I mostly know why. He shut down because he felt I was a critical, bossy,mean and judgemental nag. He also thought I was blunt and unfeminine. When I stopped nagging, I stopped talking anything but day to day necessary stuff, what was the point when he was unresponsive? When subtle didn't work with H. I became blunt and in his eyes demanding and unfeminine. The viscious circle had started.
I am addressing my own less than desirable characteristics and have been trying to gain my own emotional health and maturity for the last 15 months and will for the next 3+ years.
Then you can make peace with it, forgive yourself, and take your emotionally healthy self into your next R with whomever; spouse (hopefully) or not. I am liking the "new" me. I've gained a lot of ground, I'm having a lot more fun and breaking out of the box I was placed in as a child and locked shut on myself as a teen and young adult.
BITS Me-51, WAS-52 Kids 2 M-26yrs, H.left 2009, 2 more Bomb drops, Reconnection spring 2013 Change is inevitable, personal growth is a choice. Love is a action and choice you make, every day.