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Faith,
Man, I told you that you were in good hands. Listen to these folks and keep the stuff J3B says to you in your head.

You will make it through this. Keep up the reading. No matter how this ends up, I can't think of a better place for you to be right now.

The detaching thing is hard. I fight with the detach thing every day. There is a reason for that very thing to be first on Cadets list. I am not a pro at it either. I know I am way better at it than I was several months ago.

That is my point though, you have to keep at it (detaching) to
get your head out of the mess.

You get to watch from a distance. That is about all you can do anyway right now.

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Originally Posted By: robx
Everyday users on this forum will post an unknown number of replies & questions dealing with their relationships & marriages and every post boils down to some variation of...

"What should I do? I've read the other threads on this forum but my situation is unique..."

Bottom line, nothing in this world is new anymore. As much as you think your situation is unique, it really is a variation of quite a few common themes that you see posted & replied to regularly in these forums.

You may have heard the term, "WAS script".
Well "script" implies that the WAS (man or woman) will say & do things that are common for a person that wants to leave a relationship/marriage. My personal favorite is "I love you but I'm not in love with you anymore". Impressive that with so many unique marital situations that this particular statement re-occurs on a regular basis.

What else is not unique in many of your situations: TIME.
In most if not all of your respective situations, it has taken months and more probably years for your relationships to get to to their current status. It took alot of time to get to where you are, it took alot of time for the damage to accumulate to a point where your spouse made a decision to leave the relationship and you all have to realize that it's going to take a long time to get your relationship back if that's even a possibility.

Guarantees... there are none. Know this. Accept this.
You can do everything right in your current journey of busting your divorce and still not get your spouse back. There are no guarantees in life. No one knows what tomorrow will bring and you can't predict or control the future. But.... (and you know I like big buts) you all have a chance. As long as your heart beats, as long as you have a spring in your step, a smile on your face and the willingness to improve yourself and be the kind of spouse you would want to have (change begins & ends with the person you stare at in the mirror everyday) then you have a chance, a very good chance - it's not a guarantee but it's better than nothing at all.

You all come here looking for a solution. Years of marital problems, personal neglect, spousal neglect along with countless other issues and you all come here looking for a solution because your spouse has told you in one way or another "I've had enough and I don't want this marriage anymore."

This happened to all of you in one way or another and I don't care how "unique" your situation is, your spouse finally communicated to you in person that they wanted to leave you or they had an affair with another person which pretty much indicates the same thing.

So what prompted you to action? Crisis, fear of loss. It was only when you were faced with losing something that you finally decided to act.

Regardless of how "blind" you might have been during the marriage/relationship, you all had some clues & indicators that your spouse wasn't happy. You just thought you would plug along as you have been doing, thinking that your spouses would get out of their funk eventually and just be loving & caring. Maybe some of you felt that the other spouse had to change because they had "changed" into someone you didn't recognize anymore and you weren't going to fix anything until they fixed it, it was their responsibility, their fault, since they are married, they had an obligation to do something as well. Yes this is all very "unique".

Here is also something "unique".... you all want an answer NOW.
How do I do this? How do I respond when they do this? What is my next move? Should I do this and employ this tactic? What do I say when they do this? My personal favorite: How do I GAL when they've moved away and won't even notice my changes?

Yes you're all very "unique".

You all want to fix your relationships now, something that is also "unique". I want results now, I NEED RESULTS NOW! Read those words, think about the times that you yourself may have even said those things or something similar or even just thought about it. Reflect on how needy you've become, how insecure you've become, how unattractive that behavior really is: ME, ME, ME, ME, ME!

I've said it before, consumerism isn't just alive & well at the shopping malls. It's alive & well in your relationships. I want something new, improved, better, faster, stronger, and I want it NOW! It took years to create the problems that you are a part of but you all want a fix now. The microwave isn't fast enough, the car isn't fast enough, high speed internet isn't fast enough, the computer definitely isn't fast enough and there aren't enough hours in the day. Do any of you recognize the recurring theme here? You all want what you want and you all want it NOW!

Well your marriage isn't a microwave dinner and you aren't going to be able to nuke it and make it ready in 30 seconds. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you can start doing the real work which takes time, effort, consistency of action (which builds trust) and the willingness to do things that you haven't done before, something that the "old" you wouldn't have done because the "old" you was boring and not willing to adapt & change.

You want to be efficient at cooking dinner, go for it.
You want to be efficient at work, go for it.
You want to be efficient at doing the laundry and taking care of your homes, go for it.

When it comes to your relationships and repairing the damage that took years to build up and destroy your marriages, there is no 30 second nuke button to hit. The repair process takes time, it takes a long time to heal a heart, it takes a long time to rebuild trust, it takes a long time to fix a relationship because it took a long time to break it.

This is a common fact for you all of you. This process will take time, alot of time. Trying to implement a quick fix will actually slow down your progress - that is the only guarantee I can provide to all of you. Trying to force your relationship to heal at a quicker pace will cause more damage. You will inevitably reveal to your spouse how selfish you are and that the only reason you want to recover this relationship is for you and not for them and they will see through that.

The "BS-meter", all of your WAS's are equipped with this piece of equipment, if you're not sincere in your efforts they will be able to tell and it will erase any progress you've made and even set you back a few steps.

Slow is fast, Fast is slow - tattoo this to your foreheads if you can't remember it.

I can't count how many situations I've read in these various forum posts where the LBS is making real progress, their WAS is warming up to them again, calling them, interacting, communicating, smiling, spending more time, doing things together, emailing, texting, etc. And after 1 or 2 days/weeks, the LBS figures it's time to press the WAS for marriage counselling or talking about the relationship and reconciliation. It took a few years to damage your relationship but you figure after a few weeks of peaceful interactions with your WAS that it's time to force them to make a decision about reconciling with you. You are all very "unique" in this respect. You all do this or will do this in your own "unique" ways.

Here's a novel idea.... the WAS that left you because they didn't want to be with you is suddenly spending more time with you, suddenly communicating with you more often, doing things with you, smiling with you, is comfortable with you. Keep doing what you're doing! Don't bring up relationship talk, talks of reconciling, enjoy the moment! Stop worrying about the future, you don't know what tomorrow will bring so stop worry about tomorrow, enjoy today if today is the day your WAS wants to talk with you and share a drink or a meal with you or wants to do something with you & the kids. Be humble and appreciate the time you have with them, don't hasten the process and demand that things have to change and that you need to reconcile at this moment. Consider this a form of dating even if it isn't officially labeled as such. Stop forcing your spouses to have to be with you. If you have to force someone to love you and be with you, do you really want to be with those people? If those same WAS's make moves towards you, to communicate, to spend time with you & your children, to come over, to share a meal, etc. Enjoy that time you have with them, celebrate a success internally with yourself that you were able to accomplish something of such a grand nature when this WAS originally left you and never wanted to interact with you anymore. Stop asking for more, start appreciating what you have and stop believing that you deserve more than what you have - truth be told no one deserves anything, you get what you get in life because you placed yourself on that path to get the results you received. Stop believing you are entitled to something, entitlement breeds resentment and that will lead you down a path of anger & disappointment and poor results.

Rebuild yourself, change yourself for you first. Become a better person for you. Reclaim your individuality. You were an individual before you were a part of this relationship with your WAS. It was your individuality that made you attractive, learn what it is to become you again, enjoy being you, continue pressing forward, personal development is a lifelong process, don't be lazy with yourself, be the best you that you can be.

The repair process is slow, anyone preaching a quick fix does not know what they're talking about.

There are also many methods to possibly accomplish the herculean task of repairing your marriage, "busting your divorce". Many of us will have many ideas on what you can do to accomplish this task. None are guaranteed to work, remember there are no guarantees. But if you fail to act, you are acting to fail and will achieve those results. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over again and expecting different results. So one piece of advice that will be common to all of you, do things differently from what you are doing now and please stop whining and saying "I can't do this", "I can't do that", it's that same attitude that got you into this mess to begin with - you can do it, you just don't want to do it and it's that same attitude that prompted your WAS to leave you.

You all have questions, you all want advice, you all have pain, you all claim to love your spouses but your past actions with them might indicate otherwise, you all want your spouses back - and yet you all claim to have "unique" situations.

Give yourself the time to find those answers to those questions, give yourself time to improve yourself for you first and then your children, don't change for your spouse - that is definitely the wrong thing to do, remember the "BS-meter" that I mentioned previously. Give yourself time to heal from your pain, admit to yourself that if your spouse has hurt you, they may not be able to do anything to rectify that with you, you in the end have the ability to forgive them for what they may have done, that is within your control and that is your choice. Allow them the same courtesy, to heal within their own amount of time, allow them the choice of forgiving you and realize that no one owes you anything.

If you pray to GOD (and if you don't maybe you should but then again, that is YOUR choice), pray for CLARITY so that you have a clear mind that your vision is restored so that you can see clearly enough to know what you want and know what you have to do. Pray for the CONFIDENCE to take action on the choices you make and pray for WISDOM to choose wisely.

Stop praying for a quick fix to your problems, it doesn't exist.
There is no QUICK SOLUTION.

And if you want to truly be "UNIQUE", start by doing things that you normally wouldn't do, start by letting go of the need to control others and realize that you can only control your thoughts & actions. Respect your WAS's decision to leave you, you gave them reason to do so, if you want them back you will need to give them a reason to come back and that doesn't mean calling them and making them feel guilty for their actions. You want the reason they come back to you to be because they want to be with you and you can only promote that kind of feeling in others by making changes in yourself that would allow that kind of environment to exist and know that the changes you make in yourself aren't being done for your spouse, they're being done because you ultimately want to live a great life and you realize how you were living before wasn't great.

If you want to be "unique", and this is for all of you and especially those of you that feel like doormats in your current situations: Grow a spine and start to stand up for yourself. It’s impossible to truly love yourself & draw self esteem from within if you are letting people walk all over you. Every time you let someone treat you badly your self esteem drops just a little bit. If you can't respect yourself, how can you expect others to respect you, how can you expect others to love you?

If you want to be "unique", and this is for all of you that happen to unfortunately be in abusive relationships: Love yourself and respect yourself enough to let go of the people that don't value you or the relationship they have with you - it is one of the toughest lesson's you will ever learn but also the most rewarding.

I wish all of you "unique" db'ers a good day,
hopefully some of you saw yourselves in the examples listed above and hopefully you have some additional clarity into what you are currently doing.

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Thank you for all of your posts.

I struggle with the emails from my W, I continually read them and see attachment from her still. Constantly I'm tested and really haven't had time to deal with myself. Now, I'm going to implement a win situation for me. Give up? Not really, but I can't control the outcome and must detach from that point of view.

Do I want a divorce? No. Can I stop her from divorcing me? No.

Do I know how to do the right thing in my reality? Well No, but I have an opportunity to change the dynamic right now. I'm stuck in a position on how I view myself coming out of this, I didn't give my W her quick and ez divorce which in fact created several results. Now the results I'm faced with is how to live up to my word and lead; verses How do I do this without sacrificing my beliefs and values.

How this turns out will be continued.

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Faith,

Lovely post...

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Now the results I'm faced with is how to live up to my word and lead; verses How do I do this without sacrificing my beliefs and values.


You live them day by day

one day at a time

You look inside yourself

You do the best you can do

You wake up in the morning and thank God

You heal

You grow

You learn to love YOU

Then....

The world is YOURS....

Yours to live

Yours my man...all yours.

Peace,
Eric


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"Fear is a prison, where you are the jailer. FREE YOURSELF!"
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Originally Posted By: FaithnAK
I continually read them
STOP. You will drive yourself crazy. And make detachment very hard.

Originally Posted By: FaithnAK
Constantly I'm tested
Yes. That's how life rolls. But do you realize you are also testing yourself?

Originally Posted By: FaithnAK
I can't control the outcome and must detach from that point of view.
ABSOLUTELY. Good for you! Now you've said it ... LIVE it.

Originally Posted By: FaithnAK
I have an opportunity
So grab onto it ... don't waste it dude ...

Oh, and Happy Little Friday smile
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Holding onto anger to punish someone else, is like lighting yourself on fire to get smoke in their eyes ~ 25yearsmlc
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Uh oh. Liquid Courage Cougar stopped by! HI PEI! smile

Happy lil Friday!

Eric,

Thanks again for your words. Not giving up, but not going to live my life around this sitch anymore. One day at a time.

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Originally Posted By: FaithnAK
Uh oh. Liquid Courage Cougar stopped by! HI PEI! smile


Ouch ... I think that stings wink

Peace dude,
PEI


Holding onto anger to punish someone else, is like lighting yourself on fire to get smoke in their eyes ~ 25yearsmlc
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I pray for clarity and wisdom incessantly.

I seek knowledge daily. I am a sponge.

I have experienced major breakthroughs since Thursday and just wish to share them more as a journal than a cry for help.

I'm happy to say I have had 3 days in a row where I have somehow managed to feel no anger; Every thought has been simply turned into empathy. What has been interesting about this experience is that it seems to be happening naturally like I never had a problem with it. That's the best way I can describe it.

Since Thursday, I've had the experience of a little voice in my head that kept popping up...it kept saying "DUDE, RUN! GET OUT! DON'T LOOK BACK!". This voice of course makes you question if anything right now is worth the headache anymore. Made me ask myself "Why am I here anymore?"

I continue to pray for clarity.

Then there was an epiphany. My same old pattern was creeping in again. The same pattern that made me give up in my M and has pretty much induced this situation I'm currently in. This pattern sent me into a 3+ year long fantasy land where I escaped and ran from reality. I simply gave up.

This epiphany squashed the little voice in my head. Now that I have made it outside of my forest. I have no choice but to look at this wide open space as my future and my life. I can embrace the fact that I'm scared and uncertain but now that i can see MYSELF clearly I can now step to the edge of my fears and handle it a little better.

In summary, I have no reason to deal with anything else other than myself now. I do not like myself right now; but I know what I need to do to like myself again. First step is to win my battle with procrastination.

After reading the fantastic resources Cadet gave me, I see a lot of my W and Myself in those threads. I believe I was suffering my own Crisis, in which triggered my W's. I will not go into great detail about this as it's pretty much the answer to why. However, it's pointless to dwell in the past when there is so much to fix for the future.

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Originally Posted By: Faith
I have no reason to deal with anything else other than myself now.


Bingo.

Good for you.

This is a slow process my friend and you just took the first step.

Be quiet. Be patient. Try to be peaceful.

Go easy on yourself.

Start digging. Tragedy is the catalyst for growth or regression.

You have already experienced the latter.

If you are interested this is me when I got here:

http://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubb...288#Post1954288

You'll see all your favorite cartoon characters on my thread.

This is a process Faith. Lot's of epiphanies along the way.

Good for you.


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I believe I was suffering my own Crisis, in which triggered my W's.

Dude…all I can say is “ditto” – I feel the same way my friend, same way.

As you start to dig things will clear up for you. You will hurt my friend I am sorry to say. You will see things about yourself that honestly will make you want to cry.

Then something happens man….

Things start to make sense, you start to “see” what you want in your life, the changes that you wanted start to take effect.

Step by step my friend…

Peel back the onion dude and let it all out!

For something to be reborn it must die! Kill those things that you do not like about yourself Faith and then be reborn…not for your W…for YOU.

Save yourself buddy and maybe you will save your M.

Either way, you will become the man that you always wanted to be.

God Bless and you know where to find me if ya need me – anytime Bro..anytime.

God Bless,
Eric


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