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Originally Posted By: Frank V
I think everyone on this forum has conceeded that setting boundaries is important...

The dispute is not there but in how to implement that boundary in practice and enforcement when that boundary is transgressed...

Everyone is talking boundaries and no one is talking about protecting them...

All talk, and no action gets no logically no where.. no action, nothing changes...



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Well-said, Frank. Amen and "hallelujah."

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Originally Posted By: Jack_Three_Beans
Frank, I don't believe anyone is disagreeing with you, in fact I think that it is implied that a consequence has to come with a boundary.


Arnie is arguing this point Jack, Arnie's made the point several times that bringing consequeces into a boundary just makes this worse...

I don't buy it, there's a lot of cryptic talk about what is the better way to do this... but I don't think anyone's convinced as of yet...

I am with you Jack... talk to Arnie... and be prepared to do a lot of reading...

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I am with you Jack... talk to Arnie... and be prepared to do a lot of reading...


I'd offer to help out here, but Arnie and I broke up. whistle


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Originally Posted By: MakingProgress
Perhaps this is a really simplistic example, but when I sit on my couch, my dog will sometimes try to get her front paws on the couch so that she can get a better scratch behind the ears. As soon as she does, I stop scratching. She then steps back off the couch and I don't start scratching again until she does. Sometimes a lack of positive re-enforcement is enough to enforce a boundary. (Sometimes it isn't.)


It may work for a dog who has no visible alternatives, but when you are dealing with an addicted spouse who has a third party pressuring them to leave the marriage its a bit difficult.

You try getting your dog to cooperate when someone else they like even more is waving cookies at them... Go ahead, I dare you


I don't think that trying to get your spouse not to leave your marriage is a boundary. You can't enforce that. But if your spouse is having an affair, walking away from her is pretty much all that you can do to enforce the fact that you will not participate in the marriage if she is breaking her vows, right? If she screams at you, you don't participate in the conversation. If she misuses marital assets, you deprive her of that opportunity. You can't flog them if they don't do what you want, but you do get to take your ball and leave.

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I am with you Jack... talk to Arnie... and be prepared to do a lot of reading...


I'd offer to help out here, but Arnie and I broke up. whistle


But I thought you said "I'm just not sure HOW I feel anymore . . . " confused wink

Are you saying it's OVER?


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I am with you Jack... talk to Arnie... and be prepared to do a lot of reading...


I'd offer to help out here, but Arnie and I broke up. whistle


But I thought you said "I'm just not sure HOW I feel anymore . . . " confused wink

Are you saying it's OVER?



no way it's over. ABG will be back, decide TH is just unconscious and validate his feelings to get him conscious again. I am told it works like smelling salts.

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Some people you just can't save.

And who knows it might work for him. Statistically speaking, the numbers are on your side.

Telling someone they are wrong, just puts up the defenses. Getting someone to start wondering about other options however?

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Originally Posted By: Starsky309
Originally Posted By: TimeHeals
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I am with you Jack... talk to Arnie... and be prepared to do a lot of reading...


I'd offer to help out here, but Arnie and I broke up. whistle


But I thought you said "I'm just not sure HOW I feel anymore . . . " confused wink

Are you saying it's OVER?


He only paid for 5 minutes and not full half an hour.

He is at next door in Abuse Department.

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You are talking about natural consequences here, in one case, and in the other is is a your child. The "consequences" that come up with "boundaries" are not natural ones, they are choices made by the one setting the boundary.



If I had an affair it would be a natural consequence for my wife to let me know that it was not acceptable.

Certain behaviors are non-negotiable as as far as acceptability in a marriage. We are normally not addressing rolling your eyes, hiding your cigarettes or how to hang the TP. That's why the behavior and the consequences for continuing the behavior need to be thought out.


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If I had an affair it would be a natural consequence for my wife to let me know that it was not acceptable.


Who knew Greek was such a prude! LOL.

Just kidding. We all know she is a classy lady.


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