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sometimes when we ponder over something small we end up comming to all kinds of conclusions and assumptions on our own that are way off base...instead of just point blank with out assumptions or judgements or suspissions just ask..what's this?

then of course you can make assumptions and all that about the response you get but at least you'll have gotten an answer to work with...right now your just tourturing yourself over something that in the end you may just laugh at.

so my thought is this...if the bill is still there when you and h are home this evening...just pick it up...glance over it...notice the aol charge and ask about it (I wouldn't suggest mentioning the gas charge off the bat) and see where that leads you.

or to be more direct you could simply ask...gee I noticed the charges are for x and y and recall on the phone you saying it was x and z...I don't see z here?

and again see where that leads you.

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LL makes sense to me.

I think that's a great idea...pick it up in front of him, let he see you seeing the AOL charge.

And perhaps, he just did what my mom does constantly...she calls my husband by my boss's name and vice versa. I keep 'yelling' at her to stop doing that as my boss is my dad's age and that picture has all sorts of things wrong with it! LOL.

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My vote is that he probably just had a brain fart.

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Hey Sage

I'm all for the just asking (suspicion free) "what is this for?" without bringing up the gas thing.

My H does this to me constantly...I'll be getting ready to balance the bank account and ask him if he used the cc or took any money out. H will tell me "no". I'll pull the bank statement up and find that he has indeed used the cc or whatever I just ask "what was the charge for $xx.xx at _______? I need to know so I can put it in quicken" H will think for a few min and then say "oh, i forgot I bought_____."

H thinks nothing of it when I ask him like this

Of course, I DO wish that he wouldn't forget so much...it does make it difficult on my budget at times

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Morning, folks...here's my weekly cainercast:

"We can't go on together with suspicious minds..." We all remember Elvis singing these words by Wayne Thompson, but it is equally true to say, that we cannot go on together with jealous or resentful minds. If our minds are anything other than clear and confident our relationships will suffer. Nor will the problems be restricted to romantic involvement. Work and family bonds will deteriorate too. The eclipse in your opposite sign is now intensifying an area of doubt or dispute, just prior to resolving it.


To say that it is apt would be a dramatic understatement...I look back on the last week+ and I'm not feeling great about what I'm seeing...it's been a week filled with doubting myself, scrutinizing my h, doing a lot of old, negative patterns of thought that just mire me in feeling badly about myself. I realized this morning that it IS this pattern...I start feeling badly about ME, lack of confidence, feeling insecure, without value and THEN I start looking at h for clues that my negative feelings ARE true...that just makes him uncomfortable, me uncomfortable, blah, blah...hello cruddy cycle.

Don't get me wrong...I haven't been a complete A$$ with him or with myself...I MAY be being a bit hard on myself, even, right now...but I guess my point is that I'm committed to making this week ABOUT all the GOOD stuff that WORKS.

I had a busy weekend! Met h in town for a date Friday night...it was a good one...had some drinks and food. During the course of eating h and I had a conversation about our living sitch -- house in the suburbs essentially -- seems as though h may want to buy or rent in the city itself -- a big change for us -- and a big jolt to my system since the 4 bedroom in the burbs with the big backyard has been my security blanket....

Met some totally AWESOME DB'ers for lunch on Saturday...not sure if everyone wants their location known so let's just say that each and every one of them was a pleasure to hang with! AND (she said selfishly) they really helped me work thru some stuff too! I'd call it a "working lunch".

Saturday night h and I stayed in town to go to the "ball". I did get all dressed up...h was very complimentary! He really didn't seem to have a great time at the ball, though...we left early...went back to the room...had breakfast in bed the next AM...the night -> morning thing was really where I just didn't feel great ... about me, about us...I felt like he was distant, I was watchful. I finally told him Sun AM that I felt uncomfortable ... no real giant insights other than him assuring me that he felt fine...

We DID talk a bit more about the idea of moving into the city..I let him know that I was up for that adventure!

Sunday we RELAXED big time...watched the Pats on TV, a bit of homework, more relaxation...dinner in.

I was paying bills and asked him about the AOL thingy...he said that he hadn't realized we were still getting charged AND that when he had told me the other day it was gas it was an honest mistake. I think the conversation went well...he asked me if the charge has been on there for a while...I said yes but that I hadn't wanted to ask him about it for fear of invading his privacy. He said "honey, you can always ask me about stuff like that when it involves money!" then he stopped and said "You can ask me about anything. I'm working hard to earn your trust."

well..that sure is good stuff.

so...why did it make me feel SO DAMN SAD?

Because my brain is trying to kill me.

OK...no really...because I'm TIRED of feeling busted up. I'm MAD at myself for still not feeling whole...for still wondering if he WANTS TO BE HERE. I'm mad at myself for still not being relaxed in my marriage.

SO...here's the plan...a MENTAL break this week. FUN STUFF only....DOING what works....cutting myself SOME BIGTIME SLACK and (as will happen)...doing the same for h.

Relaxing, positive thoughts...I AM good enough

Sage


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so...why did it make me feel SO DAMN SAD?

Because my brain is trying to kill me.

OK...no really...because I'm TIRED of feeling busted up. I'm MAD at myself for still not feeling whole...for still wondering if he WANTS TO BE HERE. I'm mad at myself for still not being relaxed in my marriage.



Trying24now and I talked about this at length... I think the sadness is pretty much what you said, that you are still wondering. I find it difficult to see the positives because the next day I feel sad... the R is still not moving along at the pace that I think it should be. It is not where I want it to be. My brain "if only"s me to death. Why can I not see a baby step and accept it as such? Because tomorrow he could step backwards, I guess, I don't know.


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Relaxing, positive thoughts...I AM good enough




and smart enough, and gosh darn it people like you!!! especially h!!!

try not to be so hard on yourself sage, you are doing a wonderful job with everthing.

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and smart enough, and gosh darn it people like you!!! especially h!!!

try not to be so hard on yourself sage, you are doing a wonderful job with everthing.

LL




Glad you got the joke, ll!

I'm gonna beat up on myself for a few more minutes then hopefully I'll get over it...

can someone tell me why I cannot HEAR the things that h IS saying? Why am I so DAMN SLOW to see and recognize and absorb all of the changes that he is making?

h tells me last night "I am working hard to earn your trust".

And while I thanked him last night and gave him good hugs and all...it was only after stomping around a bit today, feeling irked, thinking deep thoughts, that it really and truly hit me....that I really understood and absorbed what he said.

We battled over trust in the first years of our m. How I needed help to feel it...how he deemed that "my problem"...then of course, the a and the aftermath....I railed at him "I need you to do things differently" but I dunno, he just wasn't ready for that...

the same man now is talking about earning...my....trust....

why am I so blind and deaf?

It's like this stuff just doesn't penetrate...

well...maybe it does...but it seems to take me forever to GET IT.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE REMIND ME OF THIS STATEMENT FROM H the next time I'm bemoaning my existence?

thanks.

Sage

PS not the greatest recovery but I just sent h an email and among other things...thanked him for the conversation. I'll be sure to follow that up with ACTION!


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one more babbly thing...want to remember to think about this tomorrow...

for the last week + I've been convinced that h was distancing himself from me...now that I look back on it I have to seriously wonder how much of it was in response to the "vibe" from me...and then us feeding off of each other.

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for the last week + I've been convinced that h was distancing himself from me...now that I look back on it I have to seriously wonder how much of it was in response to the "vibe" from me...and then us feeding off of each other.




"The Bonds that Make us Free" EXCELLENT book that deals with this very issue. It talks about deceiving ourselves into thinking that it is the other person, or coming up with some way to justify our behavior that is not honest with ourselves.

Hang in there!

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