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You may not believe it, but she wants and craves physical touch as much as you do.



I know she was enjoying the massage, up until I started on her thighs and that made her panic. But the rest of the time, she was really enjoying it. Especially her hands.


Right, because she's not ready for that kind of touch, yet. She wants it, just not from you right now. That'll come in time with no pressure on your part.


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Space is what she explicitly said.



Who pursued who in your courtship?


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Puppy,

Once you give them that "space", does it help you? In my experience that once it starts, it can as well be another area where they feel you should "retreat".

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Originally Posted By: Puppy Dog Tails


If you pressure a low-drive woman for sex, she will see it as "pressure."

If you DON'T pressure a low-drive woman for sex, she will breathe a sigh of relief that you've backed off, and gladly take the "space" that you give her.

At least, that's been my overwhelming experience and observation.


My W is a low-drive woman for sure. Even when we at the best in our M, she said she felt "pressure" for sex even though we were doing great in the R & M. Yet, she did it because she loved me and was attracted to me, and knew that was the way I recieved love.

Now, I'm don't know about you pinhead, but I feel like I'll never have sex with her for a loooooooong time. And much less - SHE will have to initiate it if we ever do! All the while I'm blowing up inside to jump her. She's more attractive to me now than ever.

Prepare yourself for baby steps. That massage was definitely more than just a baby step.


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Originally Posted By: Coach
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Space is what she explicitly said.



Who pursued who in your courtship?



I was the pursuer.

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If you pressure a low-drive woman for sex, she will see it as "pressure."

If you DON'T pressure a low-drive woman for sex, she will breathe a sigh of relief that you've backed off, and gladly take the "space" that you give her.

At least, that's been my overwhelming experience and observation.


My W is a low-drive woman for sure. Even when we at the best in our M, she said she felt "pressure" for sex even though we were doing great in the R & M. Yet, she did it because she loved me and was attracted to me, and knew that was the way I recieved love.

Now, I'm don't know about you pinhead, but I feel like I'll never have sex with her for a loooooooong time. And much less - SHE will have to initiate it if we ever do! All the while I'm blowing up inside to jump her. She's more attractive to me now than ever.

Prepare yourself for baby steps. That massage was definitely more than just a baby step.


I wouldn't say either of us is low drive. Just always something getting in the way. And if I was ever low drive, that's all gone now. And yeah, she's more attractive to me now than ever. You always want something you can't have more.

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I want things I can have. If I know there is no chance of having it, I will not waste the time and energy to want it. You can earn your way up pretty high, so things you can't have today you CAN have tommorrow.

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Originally Posted By: pinhead
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Space is what she explicitly said.



Who pursued who in your courtship?



I was the pursuer.


And she has said numerous times she wants to date you? What are you waiting for?

What will make you attractive to her now? How did you date her back when you were courting? Why were you attractive to her then?


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Originally Posted By: Coach
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Space is what she explicitly said.



Who pursued who in your courtship?



I was the pursuer.


And she has said numerous times she wants to date you? What are you waiting for?

What will make you attractive to her now? How did you date her back when you were courting? Why were you attractive to her then?


No, yesterday was the first time she mentioned dating me.

She said that three things attracted me to her: I was smart, I was kind, and I gave her lots of attention. I was very persistent with her, wore down her defenses.

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I think Coach has hit on something here. I think she wants to be courted, wooed, whatever word you want to use.


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