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Originally Posted By: Puppy Dog Tails
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I keep working through my head that somehow I have done something wrong. Something horribly wrong to drive my wife away. I just cant figure out what it is so I can stop.



That one's easy. You allowed her to bring another man into your marriage, and into your bed.


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So it would seem.

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I keep working through my head that somehow I have done something wrong. Something horribly wrong to drive my wife away. I just cant figure out what it is so I can stop.



That one's easy. You allowed her to bring another man into your marriage, and into your bed.

Rob, your problems started when you first AGREED to that. NOT when you finally decided to put a STOP to it.

It's been said that in the NFL, the day that a head coach is hired, is also the day he is FIRED ... the date just hasn't been filled in yet.

Same thing here. The day you allowed an interloper into the sanctity of your marriage, was the day you "did something wrong," and "pushed your wife away." Now, it was highly likely that it wouldn't be TRIGGERED until one day when you finally decided to stand up for monogamy, but THAT, Rob, make no mistake, was the day you sealed your original marriage's fate.

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Yeah I know. Which is why IM trying to figure out how to recover this now. I read around this website quite a bit. It can be done, lots of people have been closer to divorce then I am now and they managed it. So im hoping to get some insight as to how.

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As long as you agree with "the world according to her", that's what you will get. We can't help you if you won't help yourself. And Retrouvaille is not therapy. It is learning to talk to your spouse as equals -- something you need more than a weekend's training on!



Well the thing is, she has to agree to it as well. I can do all the work in the world, but in the end if she doesnt agree then Im talking to myself. I keep hoping the light will come on for her and she will say...this man before me is a pretty good man. What the hell was I thinking. But i have been pushing her hard lately because iM sick of waiting for her to recover from her grief of this other man. SO...its my impatience that is at the center of a lot of ths.

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You've been given a LOT of info and advice today, Rob. You must be overwhelmed.

This isn't going anywhere tonite. Step back, clear your head, and then come back and re-read everything that everyone's written. But you DO need to decide what your own "N.U.T.S." are here.

I'm out . . . for today.

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Originally Posted By: azrob
dad has no spine


To be as nice as possible, you lost your spine the minute you agreed to this kind of lifestyle.

Originally Posted By: azrob
dad didn't cut and run when things got tough


As long as you are willing to continue this farce of a marriage, you are setting a horrible example for your children...

You can't sit here and say they don't know what is going on around them...Hell Ray Charles can see what is going on here...

I am all about pro-marriage and not once in the 13 months I have been on this board have I advocated for anyone to cut and run...

Today, I sing a different tune.


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Originally Posted By: Puppy Dog Tails
You've been given a LOT of info and advice today, Rob. You must be overwhelmed.

This isn't going anywhere tonite. Step back, clear your head, and then come back and re-read everything that everyone's written. But you DO need to decide what your own "N.U.T.S." are here.

I'm out . . . for today.

Puppy


Overwhelmed doesnt beging to describe how im feeling now.

Thanks. Im doing the best I can at he moment.

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So im hoping to get some insight as to how.


Womens feelings of love start with respect for a man. Standing up for yourself, stating boundaries and enforcing them are where you start.

Think about it. How could she respect you if you told her it was ok to be with another man? You don't respect yourself or care about her honor to take a stand and say "No."


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Originally Posted By: azrob
dad has no spine


To be as nice as possible, you lost your spine the minute you agreed to this kind of lifestyle.

Originally Posted By: azrob
dad didn't cut and run when things got tough


As long as you are willing to continue this farce of a marriage, you are setting a horrible example for your children...

You can't sit here and say they don't know what is going on around them...Hell Ray Charles can see what is going on here...

I am all about pro-marriage and not once in the 13 months I have been on this board have I advocated for anyone to cut and run...

Today, I sing a different tune.


ouch. I am well and truly screwed here arent I?

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So im hoping to get some insight as to how.


Womens feelings of love start with respect for a man. Standing up for yourself, stating boundaries and enforcing them are where you start.

Think about it. How could she respect you if you told her it was ok to be with another man? You don't respect yourself or care about her honor to take a stand and say "No."



Well that is true. Which is why I finally said look I cannot take this anymore. And now Im saying now, I wont be in a sexless marriage. I reached my limits with her crap and stood up. The problem is she is so myopic about the pain of losing her "other" partner that she isnt hearing me right now.

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Originally Posted By: azrob
ouch. I am well and truly screwed here arent I?


No.

However you do need to realize that you deserve better than you are getting...

I agree with what Puppy and Coach and the rest have been telling you...

Take a walk, clear your head and set some boundaries...

Go back a couple of pages and see what Puppy told you about accepting that, yes you did at one point agree to this, however now you have changed your mind and don't want to share her with anyone.

(((Hugs)))


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