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Hey orangedog and Gardener..

I know what a spouse abruptly leaving and immediately filing for divorce feels like. I know what it feels like to have a husband's total focus on eliminating any and all interactions with me. I know what it's like listening to a judge give a pep talk about being good parents as he legally ends the marriage. When my spouse left the house, he made a clean break for himself.

A separation with positive feedback is something I never experienced.

In my opinion, over time DBing becomes more about the individual. As personal growth increases, so does awareness and seeking out better, healthier ways of approaching things. DB becomes one of many tools in my interpersonal arsenal.

DBing is the saving grace, the life raft at the eleventh hour. It gives a positive path to follow during those painful evolving months, gives direction.

At some point relationship talks have to start again.. usually when you've learned positive boundaries, how to avoid the "push the buttons - get too emotional" loop, become grounded, accepted the good, the bad and imperfect in all people, yourself included.

Orangepooch.. I think it's great that your wife stated "You've changed so much and we could call this off. But I'm afraid things would go back to the way they were."

Well.. duh. It's great you've improved, but what about her growth? And it will go back to the way it was if both people aren't committed to investing in their relationship. With her it's still fear talking. Have you read "How to change your relationship without talking"? That seems like an interesting read.. along with all the other staples ("His Needs Her Needs", "The Five Love Languages" etc).

How do you work on the relationship when it's already declared dead?

Howzabout.. respecting yourself, respecting her decision.. and letting go. Okay, so it's incredibly difficult. The less you pressure, try to control another person, the more control you have. It's like my son who was adamant about not asking to use the car if he had to say he respected me, that he'd find another way to get to work, etc. I almost started to beg him ("How can you say no to what I'm offering?") Then I realized.. why was I thinking of pleading for him to use a privilege? Instead I validated what he said and supported his decision. Bingo.. it was all in his court... and I was free from my own insecurities. A day and a half later we resolved it in a positive manner.

A relationship doesn't move forward if you're always looking back, nor can you grow. With the growth comes renewed confidence, energy and awareness. You can listen but not fix, support but not take over. It's respect in its purest sense.

Or so it seems to me.

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Thanks, Gypsy.

I am doing all (most?) of those things. All the space in the world. Respect. Zero pressure.The questions just rang true as stubborn things that rattle around in my head at times.

Re: "How do we open it back up again to begin the work?" I do know the answer: Be the kind of man to whom she may some day say, "Let's open it back up again and do the work."

Thanks, again.


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With fruit, with weeds even; but gather them
In the one garden you may call your own."
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Give me a ticket for an aeroplane;
I ain't got time to take a fast train.
Oh, the lonely days are gone, I'm goin' home.
My baby just wrote me a letter.


Not. So. Much.

What is it about a letter, a note? Because you can hold it in your hands, because s/he held it in her/his hands, you struggle mightily not to vest it with magickal properties. But there you are. You struggle, and you fail.

It has been sitting there, The Note. Totem-like. Irradiated with mojo-sapping WAW-energy. Faintly glowing, humming, like the flying saucer in some 1950s aliens-from-outer-space epic.

I was vexed that she left it as she moved out, vexed to the point of Angry, Angry to the point of ENRAGED:

How Dare She?!!!

Getting in the Last Word like that! And after -- after! -- the Batsh*t-Crazy-a-Thon!

What nerve!

Ohhhhhhh, I see! I'm supposed to read this, but when it was her turn, her chance to read some words, she ignored them for daysweeksmonths and then they disappeared! But noooooo! Sheeeeeeee gets to leave a Note! Well Excuuuuuuuuuse Meeee! Pfaw!

You see, I'd written her a Letter on the business trip that ended with my Triumphal Return to the familial manse, the Kissing Of The Kids, the Distributing Of The "Whatchabringmedaddy?" Gifts, and....wha'? huh?...the Offering Of The Cheek? The Mandatory Return Peck? The "Good Trip?" inquiry-that-isn't-really-an-inquiry?

And, four hours later, with the lone B-Eleventeen, time-over-target, adjust for wind drift and velocity.

Bomb's Away.

I'd written her a Letter that ended up inside a Valentine's Day card, a Letter that asked her to MC, that told her I knew it wasn't working, that I wasn't working, but that I thought it could, that I was committed to Making It Work. You see, my therapy was beginning to pay off, and we'd Skyped, the kids and I, during that trip, me in the daylight and they in the night, and during those Skypes I could "see" that Something Was Off, that the Milk of Human Kindness was a day or so past its expiration date.

Well, well, well. If only I'd known. WAW'd decided, you see. She'd done her Harry S. Truman, just 2 weeks before. So when I was stupidly Skyping home with my stupid "I love you's" and "how are you's" and "you look great you's", she was Already Divorced.

So there we are, fellow humans:

Me with that sleepy travel funk wafting thither and yon, redolent of Major Airline Economy Class, JFK, and the Toddler Stank of Little Lord Fauntleroy from 12-E, He Whose Feet Never Stopped Kicking even while he was projectile-vomiting onto my head and neck.

And Herself, WAW, who has Lost That Loving Feeling and stands, legs akimbo and arms crossed, with That Look upon her.

And it is High Noon, or High Ten P-Em at any rate, mere hours remaining before St. Valentine's Day.

And what a day it will prove to be; me playing the role of Bugs Morans' boys at the CMC Cartage Co., WAW taking the part of Alfonse Hisself.

There I stand, in the kitchen, one side of the serving counter with WAW on t'other, and I say something -- something trivial, now long forgotten -- but Something in that something obviously contains the Go Code for WAW's mission. Purity of Essence. Plan R.

I excuse myself to the Gentleman's Chamber of Solitude (AKA, the bathroom, the WC, the loo) for a bit of reading. When I re-emerge, WAW is over the target. She drops The Bomb.

Know what's funny? I'm smiling at the time. Of course I am. I'm one of Smiley's persons. What is it Bogart says in "Casablanca?" Oh yeah -- "The wild finish. A guy standing on a station platform in the rain with a comical look on his face because his insides have been kicked out."

I float there, mid-air, Wile E. Coyote-like, knowing there's no there there below me but hoping that if I don't notice it then I won't fall, bweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh - Boom!

So there it is, sports fans. The Note.

What to do with it? I've thought about just tossing it in the trash and then, bwah-ha-ha!, telling her so should she ask ("Hmm? Oh, that. Yeah, I tossed it."). Burning it in a ritual sacrifice to the gods of change. Setting it adrift in the sea. Carefully placing it in an envelope, sealing it, time-capsule-like, to be opened in 10 years. Polishing my cordovans with it.

Ah, Smiley's Person, would that you were such a guy. But yer not, are ya? Nope -- I'm busted, you got my number, dead to rights.

So for a while there I just moved it around a bit, pushed it here and there on the desk, set it down over there, no, over here, wait, maybe on that shelf, no, how about in this drawer, oh, perhaps in that box....

Frightened, you see? Frightened that I would find within it something that would make me sympathize, empathize, compassionitize -- and why do I want that? I'm angry -- angry, dammit! -- because she moved out, because the kids are weeping, because of the Batsh*t-Crazy-a-Thon, because and because and because.

And frightened -- I mean let's face it, let's be honest, let's call it what it is -- frightened that there won't be a Ray Of Hope within it. That it won't say, "Come get me." That it won't say, "I'll be waiting." That it will say, "Goodbye and fare-thee-well."

(Oh I'm not that detached. I'm not that uncaring. I'm not that uninterested in a positive -- dreamy positive, not positive-for-me-because-I'm-a-better-person-for-having-DB'd positive -- outcome.)

For 72 hours I hemmed and hawed, hawed and hemmed, kreuz und quer, hin und her, ist das nicht ein Schnitzelbank?

And, finally, a few hours ago, I read it. It didn't take long. WAW's handwriting is large and her words are few. I don't know how to take it, so I'm taking it as a paean. As a farewell. No mind-reading ("oh, but look where she says!"). Well, okay. Mind-reading. But pretending not to mind-read. Pretending to pretend it has no meaning.

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Dear Smiley's Person --

I am not eloquent with language the way you are, and my computer is packed so I won't have an opportunity to edit this.

I don't know how this happened, and it really doesn't matter now. We are too far down this dark path to turn around now. I had thought that if we lived separately, we might be able to slowly rebuild our relationship. I understand that you don't want or need that, and I accept it.

If I had looked into the future and seen this ending for us, I wouldn't have believed it. I also would have fought like hell to prevent it. But it seemed to sneak up on us with little warning.

I know you will go on to have a great life and great love. But for me, you were and will always be the one great love of my life.

You may not believe it, but I wish you all the happiness you can handle. I will miss you forever.

/s/ Herself


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The Note. A Note. A note.

But a note of what? Sadness? Remorse? Regret? Betrayal? Hope? Acceptance?

Of what, of what, of what?

And does it matter, of what? Of what does it matter, of what?

What does it matter?

She said, "Goodbye."

Goodbye, stranger; it's been nice.
Hope you find your paradise.
Tried to see your point-of-view,
Hope your dreams will all come true.

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Originally Posted By: SmileysPerson


[i]Dear Smiley's Person --

. . .

I don't know how this happened, and it really doesn't matter now. We are too far down this dark path to turn around now. I had thought that if we lived separately, we might be able to slowly rebuild our relationship. I understand that you don't want or need that, and I accept it.

If I had looked into the future and seen this ending for us, I wouldn't have believed it. I also would have fought like hell to prevent it. But it seemed to sneak up on us with little warning.


Oh, bull$hit, lady. You didn't do a damned thing, except to run away from it all, hell-bent.

Puppy

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I feel for you SP...Tonight I get to have a "talk" with W about the splitting of our almost 20 years together. I fully expect her to say something like you got in you note...Right now no idea how I'll react...angry, like wtf who said I don't want to be M...sad, I know this is hard for me...or indifferent, it is what it is.


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Hey Smile Guy..

My heart goes out to you.

One day at a time.

*hugs*

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I posted this on my thread, but it's just as pertinent here, as The Note and The Letter... actually, the note and the letter... seem to have had related ghost-writers...

Originally Posted By: SmileysPerson

The Letter. Though much longer, not unlike The Note, in either tone or context.

The problem with these things is that they practically beg for mind-reading. Essence of cheese down otherwise cheeseless tunnels.

But your The Letter, like my The Note, reminds me again why everything I know about life I learned from "Joe Versus the Volcano:"

Nobody knows anything, Joe. We'll take this leap, and we'll see. We'll jump, and we'll see. That's life, right?


Funny, not ha-ha funny, but I read this before you wrote about The Note and wasn't quite sure what you were saying... As you or @Thinker pointed out once before, it's incredibly interesting how the various threads around here weave together.

But, now that I have read The Note, I see that the similarities are chilling... and I mean that in the worst sense of the word... smirk

Yes, tone and context not at all dissimilar... and the Words... weren't we talking about that yesterday? I suppose they each took actions to write... but, I discern only the same words as do you: Good-bye Stranger.

Puppy's comments about the use of the passive voice leaped into mind as I read The Note... Deflecting any responsibility or the fact that We Make Choices. Not all of this Just Happened...


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Originally Posted By: AlexEN


Puppy's comments about the use of the passive voice leaped into mind as I read The Note... Deflecting any responsibility or the fact that We Make Choices. Not all of this Just Happened...



Yep. It's the ol' "mistakes were made" defense, rather than "I made a mistake."

or,

Instead of saying "I'm truly sorry I did thus-and-such," you say "I regret if anyone was offended by my actions," almost always followed by some sort of "that certainly wasn't my intention" plea by the Offender to be judged by their intentions rather than their actual results -- a subtle difference that puts all the onus on YOU instead of on ME.

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Actions and deeds, my friends; actions and deeds.

"The war was started."

"I started the war."

Which would you respect more, even if from the mouth of the most heinous of despots?

He asked. Rhetorically. Knowing full well the answer.

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That f'ing note.

(To Alex) That f'ing letter.

We're here for you, boys, men, soldiers...


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After many years w/my head in the sand...
I FILED
Divorced 6/2011

The average woman would rather have beauty than brains, because the average man can see better than he can think.
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