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S14 and I went over to the house today.
H and D11 were not home. I went around to the back porch thinking I would go through the boxes he's been asking me to go through. I decided to have S14 go inside and call his Dad to make sure it was okay. I did not go in but watched S14 through the window as he spoke with his Dad. When he got off the phone I asked him if his Dad had an attitude because he was calling from inside the house. He said he has a major one. We left and I just spent the last hour writing an email to H. No matter what, these things needed to be said. I tried not to be accusatory or condescending but I have ignored some things for too damn long.

Feel free to blast away after you read it.

It is perfectly understandable that you wouldn't want me in your house when you are not there and I did not go in, nor would I. I thought it might be okay for me to go through the boxes on the back porch since you have been wanting me to do that. Nevertheless, I gave S14 the key to go inside and call you and ask anyway. I was standing there on the back porch watching him talk to you and his expression told me all I needed to know. I am sure you spoke to him with the same attitude you have spoken to me with several times in the last few weeks and I don't appreciate it when it comes to him. Whether or not he's got your blood in his veins, you are his father and you have all the ability that a Dad has to crush a child. By the way, I watched you yesterday when he tried to tell you about his trip to SC. Do you know you barely looked at him while he was talking to you? It's true. You had the same disinterested look you have ALWAYS had. You just kept glancing at the TV. It wasn't MY idea to go over there after driving all day, Jeff. HE wanted "to tell Dad about" his trip. And for the most part, you acted like you didn't give a crap which is the norm way more often than not these days.

I really do understand that you have been going through a lot. That you have been in pain, you are suffering the financial repercussions of being out of work as well as the boredom and frustration of being limited as far as what you can physically do right now. I understand all that and I am sorry. It is one thing to take that out on me when I call to check on you but quite another to make S14 feel like HE is a bother and unwelcome. Again, I get that I'm not and I wouldn't go inside without you there because I respect your privacy and I have no right. He's YOUR SON though and to him that house is still like home and at 14 years old, he just doesn't really get it, you know? I am pissed that after talking to you he sat in the car waiting for me to put the boxes back and scrawl you that note because HE didn't feel welcome.

It is not anger that is fueling this email, it is hurt.
I am upset on S14's behalf about today but there are other things, too.

It is really time for us to have a serious talk, Jeff. We need to talk very seriously and very soon about our family. Broken is one thing but shattered in several different directions is quite another...

I did mean what I said in the note I left on the back steps, I want you to throw everything away that is in those boxes on the back porch that is mine or that I saved. It has been made crystal clear to me on several occasions that nothing holds any sentiment to you so please just throw it all away. Throw away anything that is mine (or that I saved) in those boxes in your room, too. I will come get the rest at your convenience.

Tomorrow evening I will be stopping by to give you back the key to your house and also to bring you back your $60. You were right. I would not have made it to Durham and back on what I had so thank you. As you know, S14 wants to stay over there with you guys on the 4th. If that is in ANY way not a good idea, please consider his feelings when you tell him instead of just snapping at him and saying no. Otherwise, he'll just stay cramped up in this apartment and no, that's not your problem, but if he can come over there and get outside and also help you out with the yard, I'd appreciate it.

There's a new song out that you really should hear.
Trace Adkins sings it and it's called "I Just Wanna Feel Something".

Here are the lyrics but you really need to listen to it.
It reminds me so much of you that it makes me cry because I love you so much.



If you're tellin me I'm not on fire
You're just preachin to the choir
I've gotten dull as old barbed wire from livin
Last night I watched the evening news
It was the same ol nothin new
It should have cut me right in two
But it didn't
I don't know why it didn't

But I wanna feel somethin
Somethin that's a real somethin
That moves me, that proves to me I'm still alive
I wanna heart that beats and bleeds
A heart thats bustin at the seams
I wanna care, I wanna cry, I wanna scream
I just wanna feel somethin

If you're tellin me thats just how it is
I don't buy it cause once I was kissed
By a red-headed girl with cherry lips
On her porch when I was sixteen
And I felt it somewhere in my soul and time stood still and I couldn't let go
I can't tell you cause I dont know how I got so cold
When did I get so cold?

[Chorus:]
I just wanna feel somethin
Somethin that's a real somethin
That moves me, that proves to me I'm still alive
Run my fingers through your fingers, across your face and through your hair and close my eyes...... and breathe you in like air

I just wanna feel somethin

I hate that I'm jaded and I make you cry
But still you stick around me, only God knows why

Damn it all to hell, I'm done
Cause I don't like what I've become

So come here, baby
Come here, baby

[Repeat Chorus]

Come here, baby





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Amy, I appreciate the post in response to mine. I used a poor word in "plan." I didn't mean to insinuate that you had a master scheme to get H back. I simply meant you are waiting and working and doing all in your power while exercising your faith that things will work out. I didn't say that specifically, because I thought plan would work, I was wrong - sorry.

I think your e-mail to H about S14 is completely appropriate. I also think it's a symptom of being separated, agree with me or not, but having to deal with things over e-mail is so ineffective it's ridiculous. You can't see body language, you can't immediately smooth a bad interpretation, you can't DISCUSS, you can't share true feelings. He may look at that and think you're being totally unreasonable. you weren't, but how does he know? He won't til you are talking face to face.

Patience is important, but honestly, how effective can you be as parents and as a couple in working through issues if you're not together? I don't know, I realize you've been at this for a long time, and there is NO doubt in my mind the level of importance you place on your Marriage. However, how does H REALLY know it, if you're not there regularly to show it??? you show it one day, you're gone the next and he forgets a little. He forgets a little more every day you're not there, don't you think? Doesn't it feel like 1 step forward 3-4 steps back at times? I'd never suggest giving up, never EVER! But there has to be something more a couple can do. When you figure it out, I'm sure you'll share with us \:\)


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It's done.

And there won't be a reply so please don't wait for one, Jazz.

I'm certainly not.

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I decided to have S14 go inside and call his Dad to make sure it was okay.


Why would you possibly have your son call? It wasn't his question to Dad it was yours.
It sounds, and if i'm wrong I apoligize, like his response could have been expected. If so shame on you for putting S in that position.

I'm sorry Amy but the e-mail etc. sound very contradictory to much of what you've posted lately.

If it's important enough to be said then it deserves the respect of a face to face.

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Amy that EXACT song is the one I told H about the other night - that it reminds me of us...and he agreed.

I personally "like" the letter. Praying for you.


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I'm not the milk, and Cheerios in your spoon
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Maybe a call prior to going over would be a good idea....

ummmm..... ya reckon?

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Originally Posted By: cire2
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I decided to have S14 go inside and call his Dad to make sure it was okay.


Why would you possibly have your son call? It wasn't his question to Dad it was yours.
It sounds, and if i'm wrong I apoligize, like his response could have been expected. If so shame on you for putting S in that position. I would have had to go in the house to call and the reason I did not use my cell was because it has been shut off.

I'm sorry Amy but the e-mail etc. sound very contradictory to much of what you've posted lately. I disagree. All the email is "contradictory" to is me continuing to be silent about his attitude.

If it's important enough to be said then it deserves the respect of a face to face. Historically, he doesn't DO those conversations in which it is pointed out to him where HE might be wrong. He's very good at telling ME those things, though.
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Originally Posted By: lost-n-found
Maybe a call prior to going over would be a good idea....

ummmm..... ya reckon?


I did call. And typically he is on the back porch and doesn't answer anyway so we rode over there, which was discussed between H and me last night. When the truck wasn't home, I started to back right back out of the driveway but S14 started huffing and puffing because he wouldn't be able to get a drink - which I didn't have the dollar to give him to buy at the store. I then said "I guess I can go on the back porch and start working in those boxes, but you'll need to go inside and call your Dad and make sure that's okay with him because I'm not going in the house when he's not here". The rest is history and for the record, he didn't get a drink, either.

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Originally Posted By: JazzzGtr
Are you going to push for a serious talk then?


Probably not to be honest with you.

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about his attitude


and when have any of us been able to change that?

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Historically, he doesn't DO those conversations in which it is pointed out to him where HE might be wrong. He's very good at telling ME those things, though.


History is exactly that, the past. If we all went by that then why bother with tomorrow. Get creative...kinda like punishing a child they get use to the status quo. Then it doesn't work anymore.

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